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Post by jamesw on Apr 17, 2016 1:37:56 GMT
I'm going to guess, a French label commemorating the 33rd International Trade Fair in Thessaloniki Greece, 1968
Very cool 60s design.
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Post by judith on Apr 10, 2018 7:13:29 GMT
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Post by Beryllium Guy on May 5, 2018 23:23:39 GMT
Automobile Club of France Stamps of National SolidarityDuring my wife's and my recent stay near Paris with our friend Laurent and his family, I had the chance to make many interesting discoveries in his father's old stamp collection, of which the Cinderellas seemed to be the most extensive and interesting items. One particular set which caught my eye were these 10 stamps from the "Automobile-Club de France". I did a quick web search and did not turn up any other similar images, so perhaps these are not all that common. I admit that I know nothing about them. I did notice that on the stamps denominated 1-Franc that there appears to be a Zeppelin in the sky, which would lead me to guess that these stamps were issued in the 1930s. PostmasterGS , as TSF's resident Zeppelin specialist/expert, what do you think? Have you seen these issues from France before? I am interested in any and all opinions about these, as I am trying to gather some information about these stamps for my friend Laurent. I apologize for the poor quality of this photo. Whenever I make my next visit to Rueil, I will try to remember to bring along some accessories so that I can get a better image of these stamps and some of the others that I saw.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2018 1:02:38 GMT
The CAF was active in organizing "Grand Prix" type races since 1906
They interrupted their activities during WWI
I have seen yours noted in auctions as issued in 1943.
I do not believe this is correct as Zeppelins were used in 1914-18 for reconnaissance and 1943 seems very late. WWI is more likely
They seem to be fairly common and normally $2-$5
For French Cinderellas of the period there are catalogs by Michel Bonneau that are excellent - printed in 1975 - 85
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Post by Beryllium Guy on May 6, 2018 11:27:25 GMT
The CAF was active in organizing "Grand Prix" type races since 1906 They interrupted their activities during WWI I have seen yours noted in auctions as issued in 1943. I do not believe this is correct as Zeppelins were used in 1914-18 for reconnaissance and 1943 seems very late. WWI is more likely They seem to be fairly common and normally $2-$5 For French Cinderellas of the period there are catalogs by Michel Bonneau that are excellent - printed in 1975 - 85 Nelson, thank you so much for your informative response--I should have known that you would be the one to respond based on all of your previous posts in this thread, as well as those about the Delandre Vignettes. Anyway, many thanks for this and for the helpful references!
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Post by Londonbus1 on May 6, 2018 20:56:05 GMT
Postcode Labels. From Booklets, different colours and one town/city for each booklet.
Never seen them before but should get the lowdown on them tomorrow !!
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Post by judith on May 11, 2018 5:12:15 GMT
Another opinion on the blimpish airship in the French cinderellas: Barrage balloons were used in WWII and looked like zeppelins.
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Post by Londonbus1 on May 11, 2018 12:59:36 GMT
Commemorative issue in celebration of the 2000th Birthday of Paris. The central Coat of Arms is surrounded by various Landmarks of the City.
Nice design.
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Post by Londonbus1 on Jul 30, 2018 20:18:48 GMT
The Dauphine Flying Club were, at 2012, the 2nd biggest club of it's kind in France. They were formed in 1935 and were based at the Aerodrome in Grenoble-Eybens. They moved in 1967 to make way for the (winter) Olympic Village and went to Versoud. I believe the label shown here was issued in a one-stamp Miniature sheet, Perf or Imperf. The sheets are dated March 1947 and numbered. They are also inscribed 'Journee du Timbre'.
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Post by Londonbus1 on Sept 14, 2018 18:37:36 GMT
More of these types exist, in other colours. France used to host the most colourful Exhibitions and Expositions !!
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Post by roos on Sept 27, 2018 21:29:28 GMT
If i am posting this question in the wrong thread please feel free to move it. I am looking for a website or a catalogue for the Cinderellas that have come out from France. I am particularly interested in who engraved and designed them.
My searchers have been unsuccessful and am looking forward to reading your replies.
Regards Roos
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Post by jamesw on Oct 1, 2018 1:35:08 GMT
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Post by Londonbus1 on Oct 1, 2018 18:49:02 GMT
I believe the last label in James' post is from an Aeronautical club, possibly for an event, I cannot remember off hand. Where you value tablet is there is most often a denomination, sometimes with a surcharge or overprint. Can be found on eBay and Delcampe fairly often. Many colours too I believe. The top label is a decorative or advertising gutter from a 1964 Stamp sheet of 20 Se-Tenant stamps (4 designs). They were issued to promote the event. Nice lot jamesw ! Londonbus1
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Oct 3, 2018 20:11:31 GMT
If i am posting this question in the wrong thread please feel free to move it. I am looking for a website or a catalogue for the Cinderellas that have come out from France. I am particularly interested in who engraved and designed them. My searchers have been unsuccessful and am looking forward to reading your replies. Roos, thanks for your post. This certainly seems like the right place for your post! Thanks to Nelson (@falshung) and Michael ( Londonbus1), I am aware that there are certainly some reference books/catalogues on French Cinderellas, which are called "vignettes" in French, by the way. Knowing that may help with your searching. Thanks to Nelson, I also have a reference work on Delandre Vignettes (see earlier posts in this thread from Nelson and me), so at least there is that. Perhaps Nelson, Michael or others may be able to offer further comments on this question....Â
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2018 12:36:31 GMT
Not exactly sure what that last one is A trial print/essay of the set issued perfed, imperf and overprinted - Naudet catalog #164 LA BAULE (Loire) – 2 to 11 September 1922. Meeting of the Société de Propagande Aéronautique. Issued in; 25, Violet 50, blue 75, Dark Green 1 F, Orange 2 F, Rose 5 F, Blue-grey
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Oct 5, 2018 9:17:29 GMT
Views of France For Tourism in sets of 20 per booklet First of all, many thanks to Nelson for posting great images of these "France for Tourism" vignettes (Cinderellas). They are beautiful, and it is remarkable that you were able to get them in full sheets with selvedge intact, too. I agree with Frog's ( firstfrog2013) assessment--truly impressive. After asking the local dealer in Aix-en-Provence to bring some vignettes to the market for Michael ( Londonbus1), he finally did. It only took a couple of months! I guess I should start thinking about my Christmas requests now! Anyway, the Cinderellas he brought are all from these same series. The stamps are in excellent condition (all MNH), but unfortunately not in full sheets, and not even complete sets. Still, they are undeniably beautifully designed and executed. I checked through Nelson's posts, and despite the fact that he posted many sheets of 20 different stamps in each, I think that the ones I got for LB1 have not already been posted. So, without further ado, and before sending to LB1, I wanted to post a few images for your viewing pleasure. I apologize in advance for the quality of the scans, which is not as good as what I can do in the US, and nowhere near Nelson's level. Here are a few in blue from the Paris region: Assuming that these also came in sheets of 20, I got a short set of 14 of these in blue from the dealer. I have two other short sets from which I will also post some examples. The stamps are in excellent condition. Any discoloration or faults in the images are due to the scanning or the mounts I used in the process.
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Post by Londonbus1 on Oct 16, 2018 17:32:24 GMT
France's General Joffre is pictured on these labels inscribed 'National Subscription'. They come in (at least) 5 colours and I have seen them issued in Booklets of 20 consisting of 5 panes of 4, each a different colour and with margins all round each pane. I have seen a number of explanations for their issue, including subscriptions (1937), but apparently they were sold to raise funds for the Joffre Monument on the Avenue de la Grande Armee in Paris. Or not !
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Post by Londonbus1 on Oct 16, 2018 17:53:00 GMT
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Post by Londonbus1 on Oct 18, 2018 19:31:12 GMT
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Post by hrdoktorx on Oct 18, 2018 19:51:29 GMT
In French, TSF stands for " Telegraphie Sans Fil" = "Amateur Radio".
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Post by Londonbus1 on Jan 1, 2019 18:54:25 GMT
COMMUNE LIBRE DE MONTMARTRE.I wrote a little about these on page one of this topic where I showed a block I had purchased many years before. Until last spring I never found anything to add to them then I found two lots on eBay. I wrote a bit more in the Newsletter, Vol II, No.4. I have since been looking for the few labels and selvedge pieces I needed to reconstruct the sheet of 32 from Serie 2. Another purchase this last week means I am now only 3 labels short (plus a few bits of selvedge). From the Newsletter: "Another fascinating series from France. I first saw these beautifully-designed stamps posted on a forum many years ago. The author had won a small lot including some duplicates and one block 8 was passed on to me. Then began a long on-off search for others, or at least some information, but to no avail. For years I did not see another stamp nor did I find out much about them. Until recently that is when some information came to hand and some strips and blocks were offered on eBay ! I won them all.........even the duplicates. Patience is most definitely a virtue where Cinderella Stamp collecting is concerned !! The Free Commune of Montmartre, in the 18th Arrondissement of Paris, is the home to Painters, Musicians, Sculptors, Poets and other artists who came to visit and live here from all over France. The Commune was founded after the first elections took place in 1920 and a young artist, Jules Depaquit became the first Mayor of the town. (the election was won by the Anti-Skyscraper Party !!) The first 'Stamps' of the Commune were issued in 1923 and the inscribed values gave the impression of Charity or Fund-Raising stamps. But given that the people of the Commune valued their Independence, the French Postal Service had suspicions of a local Post so the values of the first issues were overprinted with two rows of short black lines or one line of thick or thin Red lines. The stamps shown here are from the 2nd Series issued the following year. They were printed in sheets of 32 by the Official Commune Printer Girard & Bunino of 32, Rue Gabrielle in the heart of Montmartre (now an Art Gallery-what else !!). This 2nd issue produced a couple of new designs and most stamps within the sheet had some subtle differences which make the series most unusual. For example, there is a Chimney Stack on the tiny house on one the Postillon (Post Rider) stamps but not on the others. Then there is a star on one of the Deep violet 'Enraged Cow' stamps but not on it's partner ! There are others too, see if you can spot them !!! The 'Cow' stamps likely stem from the Journal (Newspaper) of the late 19thC, 'La Vache Enragee', which later became the Official hub of the Free Commune (Circa 1921). All in all, a truly fascinating series to find and research. Such is the scarcity of these stamps I can only show the 2nd series.......and my attempts to re-create a sheet failed due to a missing pair !!!! Covers exist too, both with Postage Due marks and Special Montmartre cancels. My search goes on for more as does the research, which makes me want to re-visit the area I spent a lovely day in some years ago. " Before I went on my trip to the UK at Christmas I put in a rather hefty bid on a lot from the 1st Series and won. What an exciting moment it was when I returned to find the envelope on my desk. I have never seen any before (in the flesh, so to speak) and only read about them in an article by Dr.Richard Grosse who happens to be a member of the French Cinderella Stamp Society, 'L'Arc-en-Ciel'. What I found was doubly exciting as some items found in the lot I had not seen before anywhere. The first picture, below, shows 4 labels from the 1st series, both overprinted and not, but on Pink paper !!! The next one is a strip of the 4 designs from the 1st series with multiple line overprints in Black. Exist also 2 types of lined overprints in Red. I do not know the sheet size from the 1st series. The next 2 pictures show labels from both 1st & 2nd series so you can compare the designs and colours. For example, you can see that the bird is facing right on the 1st series and left on the 2nd !! The left hand 'Postillon' label is the 'Chimney on the House' variety. So, still on the lookout for those elusive others but patience is a virtue. I wonder if 'prize' block I sent to theamateurphilatelist has arrived yet ? Londonbus1
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Post by jimwentzell on Jan 2, 2019 6:03:15 GMT
Some very nice material on this thread!!! My small contribution: I dug this out of the deep, dark corner of my desk; I don't remember ever seeing it before. That doesn't happen often, but it's nice to be able to add something from France! Not sure what year the Caen Fair/Exposition was, as the year is not present on this little find. However it does mention the fair was held the second two weeks of that month.
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Post by jimwentzell on Jan 6, 2019 1:13:38 GMT
Here's a stamp from Alsace...dated 1915. It looks like a fiscal or revenue of some sort. It was in a bunch of stamps and Cinderellas I acquired in October at the big market in Aix-en-Provence in southern France. Beryllium Guy (Chris) introduced me to his stamp-dealer contact and we both got some great stamps and related items. Thanks again Beryllium Guy, I can't wait to come back to Aix some day soon!
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Post by hrdoktorx on Jan 6, 2019 12:04:19 GMT
Here's a stamp from Alsace...dated 1915. It looks like a fiscal or revenue of some sort. It was in a bunch of stamps and Cinderellas I acquired in October at the big market in Aix-en-Provence in southern France. Beryllium Guy (Chris) introduced me to his stamp-dealer contact and we both got some great stamps and related items. Considering the date and the motif, this is likely a propaganda stamp made to rouse patriotic spirit to regain Alsace from the Germans. Early in the war, France had managed to push the front line in Alsace to roughly the crest line of the Vosges mountains, where the Germans had heavily fortified defenses, and the front stay unmoved until very near the end of the war there. Most of the action on the Western Front happened in Lorraine, Picardie and Flanders. There were of course plenty of skirmishes in Alsace, but no sustained campaigns as the German position was considered pretty impregnable, and, on the other side, the Germans felt they could advance more easily elsewhere.
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Post by greaden on Jan 6, 2019 15:34:59 GMT
War Fund labels.
One set of many.....
Edit: Designed by Henri Lucien Cheffer [1880-1957] , Banknote and stamp designer who worked for Belguim, Persia, Luxembourg and others as well as France.
When I was a kid in France in 1973 and starting my collection, these were on sale in the Nancy post office. I bought the 50c one, but the clerk tried to discourage me, declaring, "ceci n'est pas un timbre". I bought it anyway.
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Post by theamateurphilatelist on Jan 7, 2019 9:10:47 GMT
COMMUNE LIBRE DE MONTMARTRE.I wonder if 'prize' block I sent to theamateurphilatelist has arrived yet ? Londonbus1 Thank you so much Michael, I got your letter yesterday. Thank you once again for your generosity
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Post by jimwentzell on Jan 25, 2019 16:51:10 GMT
I was hoping to be the high bidder on this nice postcard, but the price it ended at auction a few days ago was way over what I bid! The French 2-franc definitive stamp stamp was overprinted for the 1929 Exposition Philatelique in Le Havre, and the Exhibition Cinderella was added and tied to boot--a philatelic dream! Although I should have bid more, as it is a very high catalogue stamp "on cover" (actually on a postcard) it is obviously philatelic, and could even possibly be faked. Thus I declined to go that high. Besides, I needed to eat this past week :-)
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Post by jimwentzell on Jan 25, 2019 16:59:10 GMT
Thank you, hrdoktorx, for the information on the Alsace label above!
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Post by hrdoktorx on Jan 25, 2019 18:01:32 GMT
I was hoping to be the high bidder on this nice postcard, but the price it ended at auction a few days ago was way over what I bid! The French 2-franc definitive stamp stamp was overprinted for the 1929 Exposition Philatelique in Le Havre, and the Exhibition Cinderella was added and tied to boot--a philatelic dream! Although I should have bid more, as it is a very high catalogue stamp "on cover" (actually on a postcard) it is obviously philatelic, and could even possibly be faked. Thus I declined to go that high. Besides, I needed to eat this past week :-)
As a curiosity, how much did it go for? This stamp will be one of the last ones I can afford from France, and one of my few remaining holes in the 1900's.
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Post by jimwentzell on Jan 25, 2019 18:31:01 GMT
The selling price of the postcard and stamp and label was US$222.50. Not a bad price considering the scarcity of the stamp and its catalogue value. However I have a policy not to buy stamps which are overprinted when their underlying stamp (without overprint) is significantly lower value than the overprinted stamp, unless backed by a bonafide certificate. Also the seller has only " private listings" which I strongly disagree with and discussed on another thread: thestampforum.boards.net/thread/5724/private-listings-allowed And thirdly, as stated in my post above, I needed to save money so I could afford to eat this week :-)
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