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Post by firstfrog2013 on Sept 12, 2014 16:35:39 GMT
Here's another for consideration.here just notice top horizontal line in the right triangle.Top stamp the line ends open and bottom stamp shows that lie now closed by extended vertical line.Also notice on top stamp lower left frameline blips.Again unlisted but they exsist.just more to look for.
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firstfrog2013
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Sept 12, 2014 17:22:54 GMT
Again this time left upper triangle notice a vertical line added to enclose those horizontal lines.Now see if your Unitrade mentions it.
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Sept 12, 2014 19:57:13 GMT
Moving on to the two cent.this time look at lower left triangle.kind of falls into a pattern ,right?Til someone with more knowledge tells me different I will call all these re touched plates.
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Post by therealwesty on Sept 13, 2014 13:40:21 GMT
In looking at my copies I can confirm your findings for the most part! I have one 1/2¢ showing the opening under the top line in the UR spandrel. I agree that it could be a plate variety, possible from a retouch or something. It would be interesting to look at a full sheet and try to determine what position it is from.
On my 1¢ copies there are various states of the vertical line in the in the UL spandrel. When looking at some copies with the microscope (40x) I can see evidence of the vertical line on all copies, though some are very faint or broken up. Could be due to plate wear, or varieties caused when laying down the impression on the plates.
My 2¢ purples show similar pattern to the 1¢, though this time in the LL spandrel. Although on some copies the vertical line appears not to be there, under the microscope there is evidence of a faint or broken line on all my copies. Could be another case of plate wear or inconsistent impressions.
In expanding the observation; My 2¢ carmine stamps all show similar characteristics in the vertical line through Die 1 copies. The line varies from faint and broken to almost non-visible, but evident under the 40x magnification. I have only one die 2 copy to examine, and again the vertical line is faint but it is there.
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Sept 14, 2014 2:23:52 GMT
Interesting if nothing else.It just strikes me dumb that Unitrade would not mention what we can see for ourselves.Isn't it billed as a specialist catalog?? Well, at least WE actually look at stamps and not just print what was printed before.Makes you wonder what else is not printed.I have little faith in either Unitrade or Scott which in my eyes have become almost mirrors of each other.Wish someone with a bit of interest would print an actual inclusive,comprehensive, catalog with notes and pictures showing these little differences.I'm a bit too old to pursue such an endeavor.
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Sept 14, 2014 12:24:42 GMT
In the interest of being fair I will say Unitrade is the best information out there available in a single publication.The purchase of other reference books are of course an option for further study in some issues.The use of Scott numbers has made life easier and I believe the catalog will be an evolving work even though probably handicapped by that dwindling resource collectors and stamp researchers.
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Post by therealwesty on Sept 14, 2014 13:59:31 GMT
Yes Unitrade isn't perfect but it is the best we have. Further I think the of comprehensive catalogue that you are wishing for would be an absolutely massive under taking. Keep in mind that Unitrade is still only edited by one man... and though he is likely supported by a heck of a team, think of the people and time it would require to study each and every issue. Thousands of issues and many billions of stamps in circulation means collectors will always have the chance of stumbling on something not listed in the trusty catalogue.
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Post by rod222 on Sept 14, 2014 14:10:33 GMT
Philately begins where the Catalogue ends.
Do your study, write reports, pass on your knowledge.
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Sept 14, 2014 19:52:13 GMT
Passing on my hard knock learning is why I try to post the things I find.I know some are bored by my endless junk varieties on twenty cent Cv stamps but If I paid attention to the price listing alone I would be an investor not a collector.I only hope others learn from what I used my eyes to find and by posting here visitors in the future will find a bit of interest.
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Dec 14, 2014 15:45:49 GMT
Here's another interesting stamp.this time on the twenty cent.Not sure what it is or how it got there any ideas.
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Post by rod222 on Dec 14, 2014 23:32:24 GMT
Here's another interesting stamp.this time on the twenty cent.Not sure what it is or how it got there any ideas. Wax crayon indicating a Registration of a an article posted.
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Dec 14, 2014 23:40:29 GMT
thanks Rod.The red just stood out. Weird the marker monkey only made this little line.I'm going through another lot of leafs and numerals.This one included a couple twenty cents which are a somewhat better stamp. Surprised to win it at a reasonable cost.My ocd kicks in and right now the queens are in my head.
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Post by rod222 on Dec 15, 2014 0:22:54 GMT
thanks Rod.The red just stood out. Weird the marker monkey only made this little line.I'm going through another lot of leafs and numerals.This one included a couple twenty cents which are a somewhat better stamp. Surprised to win it at a reasonable cost.My ocd kicks in and right now the queens are in my head. Not uncommon, The history of the Registration of correspondence began in 1300 in Tunisia, where messages were kept confidential, by applying a wax seal. The mail became sealed by tying a string around the sealed message, across all sides, and sealed with wax at the knot. This was continued after 1840, however the string was replaced by a wax crayon crossed on the cover (In Blue or red wax Crayon) that mimicked string Stamps with smudges of red or blue wax crayon abound, if you recognise it. Here is an example in Blue (owner Mr. Bob Ingraham) Note: this is an "economy cover" the original cover is re-used by pasting another addressed paper over the top of the previous use.
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Post by I.L.S. on Dec 15, 2014 8:30:03 GMT
Rod that's an amazing piece of postal history and helped me understand why old trans Atlantic covers have the red markings like that on them. It's to emulate a sting! Interesting and I'm grateful for your knowledge that you share. -Jeff
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Post by rod222 on Dec 15, 2014 9:08:46 GMT
Rod that's an amazing piece of postal history and helped me understand why old trans Atlantic covers have the red markings like that on them. It's to emulate a sting! Interesting and I'm grateful for your knowledge that you share. -Jeff Most knowledge is handed down Jeff brighter men and women preceded us. Joy is giving help, and receiving help.
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Apr 4, 2017 13:03:54 GMT
Another curious item I had set aside with my straight edge stamps.At first I thought of booklet single but no such animal exists.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Apr 4, 2017 22:33:02 GMT
Another curious item I had set aside with my straight edge stamps.At first I thought of booklet single but no such animal exists. Frog, since the bottom margin is quite uneven compared to the other three, my guess is that this is just a trimmed stamp. Just a guess....
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Post by tomiseksj on Apr 4, 2017 23:29:32 GMT
I agree with Chris, the bottom perfs were likely clipped and there remains what appears to be the top of the rightmost perforation hole.
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Apr 5, 2017 3:57:12 GMT
Right you are guys thanks for borrowing your eyes.Trash this one.
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Jul 25, 2017 18:29:10 GMT
Another invert this time the numeral issue #88.Another fake notice crooked middle bar of the "e"
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jul 25, 2017 19:20:25 GMT
Thanks for another very interesting post, Frog ( firstfrog2013). I had never seen an inverted surcharge for Scott #87 or #88, but I just read an article in The American Philatelist-July 2017 issue titled "A Study in Carmine" by Mercer Bristow (pp. 668-670) about all of the Canada Maple Leaf Queen issues in carmine, including the surcharged ones in question. He states in the article that "All inverted overprints for Scott 87 and 88 are known to be forgeries, so any such stamp should be expertized before purchased." It's funny how I never heard anything at all about these forged surcharges until I read the article in AP, and the day after I read it, you post a photo of one! Well, I am very glad to have learned about these forgeries to expand my knowledge base on classic Canada issues. Thanks, Frog!
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Jul 26, 2017 4:13:28 GMT
Actually Chris there is much controversy about the inverts.If one needs to be expertized than they must exist or it would just state all forgeries period.I believe one was recently found to be genuine.My old Holmes who has one of the Greens as an official listed,did in fact list both inverts so as of 1968 they were indeed fact.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jul 26, 2017 15:38:41 GMT
Thanks for the follow-up, Frog. This is even more interesting information, of course, that there may actually be genuine inverted surcharges for these issues.
Is there any reference or publication to which you can point me on this? I would love to learn more.
If genuine inverted surcharges were discovered back in 1968, I wonder why there is nothing noted in the Scott catalogue? Perhaps there is not universal agreement on the legitimacy of those stamps.
Anyway, if you (or anyone else for that matter) knows more about this or can point me to any references on the subject, I am keen to learn more.
Thanks, Chris
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Jul 28, 2017 2:31:33 GMT
As I said Chris the only source I have that you may not is my old Holmes catalog published in 1968. Nelson had a couple posts regarding these in forgery thread if you do a search maybe you can find them. The man who writes Green certs was part of the list of contributors for Holmes.A good indicator of their existence would be the note they should be expertized.What would be the point if they did not? I have not found a real one yet but hey you never know what may be lurking in old collections eh?
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jul 28, 2017 4:48:31 GMT
Thanks, Frog, and sorry for my misunderstanding. I thought that "my old Holmes" was referring to a person rather than a publication.
I will have to seek out one of these Holmes catalogues and see what I can find. But I completely agree with your logic: why state that expertizing is required if it is an established fact that no genuine inverts exist?
Anyway, thanks for schooling me on this. I will also look for previous posts by @falshung. And I will keep an eye out for finding one of these in an old collection, too. Who knows, maybe I'll get lucky!
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Post by tomiseksj on Jul 28, 2017 12:13:09 GMT
The note under the 1899 provisional issues (#87 & #88) in my 2014 Unitrade reads, in part:
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jul 29, 2017 0:11:32 GMT
The note under the 1899 provisional issues (#87 & #88) in my 2014 Unitrade reads, in part: Thanks for your comments, Steve. Being away from home, I do not currently have access to my Unitrade Catalogue. The Unitrade note certainly leaves open the possibility that genuine inverted surcharges may indeed exist, where the note in the Bristow article almost seems to contradict itself, all in one sentence! Frog ( firstfrog2013), I did some looking around on TSF, and I did find some posts about these stamps by you, @falshung, and jimjung. Here is a link to that thread, with the relevant posts made in Dec-2016. thestampforum.boards.net/thread/4460/canada-forgeriesI noted that one of your posts, Frog, mentions "re-hashing" this subject, so I will continue to hunt for an older discussion on this same topic.
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Post by jimjung on Sept 23, 2017 14:11:48 GMT
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Post by hdm1950 on Feb 4, 2023 21:50:10 GMT
My .20 from this series was used and I finally upgraded it to a very fine centered lightly hinged example.
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