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Post by littleriverphil on Sept 20, 2014 18:59:32 GMT
I have a few copies of U.S A. 1870-73 issue 12 cent bank notes that I have upgraded, and I was examining the stamps that I wanted to sell, looking for hidden defects with a stereo Microscope, a great "fly specking" tool. I was quite surprised to discover that the National Bank Note Co. stamp. Scott 151 showed a lay out line running from the top margin down through the square frame, the outer label oval, the edge of the period of U.S, the inner oval, the edge of the vignette, through the lower section of the oval, all three legs of the W of TWELVE out through the lower square frame and off the margin. There is also a mark possibly from a dropped spirographers tool at the ornament on the left side middle. Thats quite a line to leave unburnished on the plate. So, I placed the Sc 151 back in my stockbook with a bit more respect, and removed the Continental, Scott 162 from the book and placed it under the big Wolfe, and was again delighted to find a large tool mark from the left margin straight through the bottom edge of the U of U.S, across the inner oval, through the vignette, through Henry Clay's eyebrow and disappearing in his hair above his ear. Wow! what a pair! Not only do they show the "secret mark", but they are both plate varieties. Imagine my surprise when I found the National I had just traded off my NBNC page also showed a lay out line exctly the first National had, only shifted slightly left, missing the period. Now its a trio and I'm not at all sure what I'm going to do. Because the lay out lines were part of a grid of dots and lines used to align the transfer roll die and were burnished out or erased, these lines are very faint, and I have strengthened them for better visibilty. First National is A, the Continental is B and the last National is C, in the order I "discovered" them. A. 
B.  C.  Because even my strengthened lines are difficult to see, I've made a larger composite picture to better see these layout line and scratches. If you can see something I missed or forgot, feel free to comment, in fact all comments are welcome.   Sorry about that gray line under the stamp, time for a new display card. |
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Post by Ryan on Sept 21, 2014 7:10:42 GMT
I was interested in this because I'm fond of plate varieties - I gather up catalogues as I find them, as I like looking through piles of common stamps to find listed varieties. I have a copy of Loran French's "Encyclopedia of Plate Varieties on U.S. Bureau-Printed Postage Stamps" but unfortunately, your issues predate the era covered by my book, which begins with 1894 issues. Drat & blast.
My copy of Brookman doesn't go into enough detail to cover such things.
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Post by littleriverphil on Sept 21, 2014 16:01:00 GMT
There was nothing in all of the bank note literature that I've read either, but then I haven't read all of the back issues of the Chronicle that are now avaible online, 61 years of back issues, I've made a start since I found these three, but so far no mention of layout lines or scratched plate positions. I did find it pretty odd that both of the Scott 151 that I have, both have the same layout line. I've been going through each back issue of the Chronicle and keeping notes when I find an article pertaining to plate varieties of bank notes. You need to be a member to read any after issue 221, but the rest will download. www.uspcs.org/resource-center/chronicle-information/web-chronicle/I did a similar search of the chronicle looking for imformation on Official stamps and picked up enough new information that I discovered that I have four more "Specimen" errors than I knew I had. Two broken C's and two double overprints.  I also have Loran French's Encyclopedia of Plate Varieties on U.S. Bureau-Printed Postage Stamps, I have used that book mostly for plating the souvenir sheets, especially the Farley sheets. As another "fly specker" I'm sure that you'll enjoy this pane 21 of 1934 Byrd "Little America" sheet. Stamps 4 has two spots of color after Expedition II, a large and a small dot, Stamp 5 has just the large dot.  There are 25 panes in the sheet of 150 of Sc 735, so I don't think that it is possible to find pane 21, stamp 4 in one of the Farley Crossed gutter blocks, could find stamp three of that pane in a crossed gutter.  |
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Post by rod222 on Sept 21, 2014 23:11:27 GMT
Can members advise which gentleman is Mr. Farley please? Image source, and ownership unknown.  |
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Post by Ryan on Sept 22, 2014 0:15:52 GMT
Can members advise which gentleman is Mr. Farley please? Entirely unscientific here, but the shape of the ear (and the generous jowl) would point to the man at the upper left on your photo.  Ryan |
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Post by I.L.S. on Oct 12, 2014 13:02:14 GMT
Although I know a little about the Rotography I know about the "dots" and their are lay out lines and that appears what you have! Nice find my friend!! Here is a proof if it helps at all I don't think it will but hay why not? (It's only @600dpi) sorry.  Also about your gutter block (which I enjoy seeing thoroughly)here are a few of mine! That one large margin of Yosemite national park is just the kink in the vario page not in the stamp itself.
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Post by littleriverphil on Oct 12, 2014 21:04:17 GMT
Although I know a little about the Rotography I know about the "dots" and their are lay out lines and that appears what you have! Nice find my friend!! Here is a proof if it helps at all I don't think it will but hay why not? ( It's only @600dpi) sorry.  Also about your gutter block (which I enjoy seeing thoroughly)here are a few of mine! That one large margin of Yosemite national park is just the kink in the vario page not in the stamp itself.  When I got my scanner out of storage, I couldn't find the software that came with it, and so downloaded software from the internet. And that worked , up to a point, I could only scan at 600 dpi but thought that the Canon MX300 Scanner/Printer/Fax scanned at a higher resolution. A couple of weeks ago, while scanning a large group of Specimens, I was takling a break, and just poking around with another editing program that I had recently downloaded, Picasa 3. I found that when I clicked "Import" that there is a drop down menu on the Import page to select your scorce, when I clicked my scanner, the program opened a new setup window for my scanner that allowed me to double the resolution that I had been using. Maybe your results could be the same |
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Post by I.L.S. on Oct 13, 2014 9:13:02 GMT
That's the EXACT program I use is Picasa 3 I just cropped this image out of that display card that was scanned @600dpi. Understand? I will happily re-scan it at 12 if need be? Hold on Why not it's freaking 5:07 AM and I haven't anything important going on lol brb... OK I'm obviously back now! lol @1200d.p.i.
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Post by littleriverphil on Oct 14, 2014 14:42:36 GMT
Thats a much better scan! I knew that you also used Picasa 3 as I read that in one of your posts. I downloaded Picaca 3 a couple of months ago, and am still learning how to use it. I was amazed that Picasa 3 could unlock scanning software for my scanner. I can't remember if "ScanGear" was part of the Canon software that came with this MX300, but am sure that there was a better better set up for scanning than the MP Navigator xp that I was using, imediatly doubled the scanners resolution. Happy scanning!
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Post by I.L.S. on Oct 14, 2014 15:22:08 GMT
Certainly! if you ever need any help with Picasa3 let me know I'd be more than happy to assist. I been using it for at east 6 years. Since it was just "Picasa" if that helps any? |
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Post by littleriverphil on Oct 14, 2014 15:41:19 GMT
I just redid the original scans for this thread, still had to strengthen the layout lines, but the stamps themselves are much clearer. I'll certainally ask you for help with Picasa 3 if I need to...Thanks Jeff. Gotta go get ready for Dr. appointment, nothing serious, just a general poke and prod visit, See ya later! |
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Post by I.L.S. on Oct 15, 2014 7:10:01 GMT
Certainly! Also, your post is looking great! Thanks and best wishes!!
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Post by I.L.S. on Oct 15, 2014 7:59:55 GMT
Here you go littleriverphil! www.ebay.com/itm/281449576983/Although it's from the Swedish tiger & has a cert -I cannot see the grill? I'm sure it's just probably hard to see? If someone is going to spend that much money a pic of the back would be very persuasive no? |
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Post by littleriverphil on Oct 16, 2014 14:52:51 GMT
Actually its from the Swedish tiger's seller of the year. What ever that means. I agree, for 1450 or so bones, I'm gonna want to see the grill, even if its a H grill. Admitedly H grills are hard to see at times, I've got a 10c that has four points, that I'll never get near catalogue for. Gotta get certs on those Hs!
With slightly grayish paper ? As I was looking at the stamp, trying to see some sign of a grill point or two, I was thinking that this stamp needs a bath! Good thing its got a cert, and Bill has certainally seen a lot more banknotes than I have, but I've never read or heard of anything but hard white paper on grilled banknotes.
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