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Post by littleriverphil on Oct 12, 2014 21:36:55 GMT
I've had this 5 cent Columbian for so ong that I've forgotten where I got it. It has a a Purple fancy duplexed cancel on as well as another double ring dater. As you can see the town name in the duplexed part of the cancel is just on the left largin of the stamp while the obliterator ( a wheel of fortune ) is covering Columbus. The dater ( if that is what it is ) is in blue, but it just doesn't make any sence! It appears to say P RIS on top over S-----SER. Between the P and the r, it looks like part of an A. So Paris. There are 23 towns in the US with the name Paris, but then the bottom doesn't make sence. If it's of any help, the size of the Blue double ring dater is 24mm dia on the outer ring and 14 mm for the inner. The purple wheel of fortune measures 16mm. Has any one seen a cancel like this before?  |
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Post by tomiseksj on Oct 13, 2014 13:53:31 GMT
These images, processed using retroReveal, provide greater detail of both the obliterator portion of the U.S. postmark and what I believe to a French receiving stamp.
What you refer to as the "double ring dater" is clearly from Paris -- the visible letters at the bottom of the stamp E and GER suggest the word is ETRANGER (French for foreign or overseas).
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Post by littleriverphil on Oct 13, 2014 15:39:36 GMT
I've been informed that the blue two ring Paris marking is a transit marking, and not specifically a reciever. Just never occured to me that another country would use their transit marking on the US stamp. Sure makes a good looking 5 cent Columbian.  |
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Post by rod222 on Oct 13, 2014 21:23:26 GMT
Fabulous work Steve!
Fascinating.
Reminds me of a query we solved some 10 years ago, with a Scottish Brunswick Star cancel, on an early German stamp.
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Post by I.L.S. on Oct 15, 2014 7:15:25 GMT
Yes etranger and usually possibly a "ship to shore" broken or split ring cancellation. I personally enjoy the "wheel of fortune" cancel! Nice stamp too! I'd certainly keep it!
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Post by rod222 on Oct 15, 2014 7:26:31 GMT
I spent hours looking on the marcophilie website, I could not find anything close to that French "Receiving" or "Transit " Postmark Can anyone offer a link? or further info? marcophilie.org/ |
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Post by I.L.S. on Oct 15, 2014 7:36:32 GMT
not off hand with a link but I believe information starts to appear on these cancels (for whatever reason) in the American Stampleƒs catalog. I'll see if I can dig it up later OK? I might be off-base on this but I'm reasonably certain that I recently read over a section on these?
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Post by tomiseksj on Oct 15, 2014 12:28:03 GMT
I spent hours looking on the marcophilie website, I could not find anything close to that French "Receiving" or "Transit " Postmark Can anyone offer a link? or further info? There is an article on the APS Chapter Activities website titled " French Cancellation Sampler" that provides some information. Page 6 indicates that the double-circle CDS with inner circle containing line segments (Type 84) was a common CDS format. That page also contains a list of designations for special mail services -- "ETRANGER" was used on mail leaving France and as a transit marking on incoming mail. |
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Post by rod222 on Oct 15, 2014 16:32:58 GMT
Thanks Steve, but I was enquiring on the strike with the impression of "petals" ? and what looks like a side facing eagle.
The line segment CDS I am au fait with.
Still a mystery.
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Post by tomiseksj on Oct 15, 2014 19:27:35 GMT
I believe that the "strike with the impression of petals" is the killer portion of the U.S. duplex handstamp: however, I haven't been able to find any source that attributes it to a specific locale.
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Post by rod222 on Oct 16, 2014 0:00:19 GMT
I believe that the "strike with the impression of petals" is the killer portion of the U.S. duplex handstamp: however, I haven't been able to find any source that attributes it to a specific locale. Erk!  I had been searching French marks. Unadilla, Nebraska, fits with the double circle CDS and the "wheel of fortune" killer. ...or Syracuse, or Arapahoe, seems a Nebraska thing. |
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Post by I.L.S. on Oct 17, 2014 10:06:25 GMT
The "Wheel of fortune" is not a duplex cancel.
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Post by tomiseksj on Oct 17, 2014 12:46:33 GMT
I'll grant that the "wheel" exists as a stand alone killer but the consistency of these three strikes, taken from covers listed on Jim Forte's Postal History site, suggest to me that the wheel was also tied to a CDS in a duplex handstamp.  This excerpt from the U.S. Cancellation Club site also indicates that the wheel existed in both a stand alone and duplex form. |
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Post by littleriverphil on Oct 17, 2014 16:45:59 GMT
The "Wheel of fortune" is not a duplex cancel. From it relitive position and spacing from all that can be seen of the double ring CDS plus the fact that they are the same color leads me to think that in this case the Wheel of Fortune was duplexed with the CDS. |
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Post by I.L.S. on Oct 18, 2014 11:39:45 GMT
It seems in light of this information that I too must agree with the consensus that it was used as a part of a duplex. Many different "wheel of fortune" cancels exist so, it is very likely that a few cities made use of the new technology. My apologies.
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Post by rod222 on Oct 18, 2014 21:18:02 GMT
It seems in light of this information that I too must agree with the consensus that it was used as a part of a duplex. Many different "wheel of fortune" cancels exist so, it is very likely that a few cities made use of the new technology. My apologies. No need to apologise, We are all here to learn and enjoy. There's no one among us, that has not made a Boo boo. Nebraska "wheel of fortunes" all look to be duplex. |
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Post by I.L.S. on Oct 19, 2014 13:24:30 GMT
I didn't know that so I certainly learned something!
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I had been searching French marks.