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Post by cjd on Aug 3, 2013 3:14:51 GMT
Telegraphs are hot. Okay, not hot. But maybe recovering some of their lost popularity? (Lost say, 100 years ago?) The two big resources have been Hiscocks (1982) and Byrum (mine is circa 1974 and I think it is the last), though Yvert also lists many telegraphs. However, Barefoot just released a new worldwide telegraph catalogue, which looks like a must buy. Please throw out your classic telegraphs. (Are there any other kind?) Here are a few from Switzerland to get the party started. These are related to each other only by virtue of being on the same card. This is not a complete set:  |
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Post by cjd on Aug 3, 2013 3:21:05 GMT
A Japan, the 2-sen from the 1885 issue:  |
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Post by rod222 on Aug 3, 2013 5:15:11 GMT
Mood piece : "Song of the talking wire" 1904 This famous painting is one of Henry F Farny's least mythic works; it accurately portrays the reality of the Indians'sad situation in the early twentieth century. The Indian hunter leans against a telegraph pole, listening to the chatter of the humming wires without understanding. Farny makes us understand how dismayed the Indian must feel in the face of these strange mechanisms that bound together people so far from each other. The work at once symbolizes the appealing naturalness of the Indian and the sadness of his being "outdistanced" by the works of the white man. In its grey colors and in its portrayal of the isolation of the Indian figure, the work is a moving illustration of Farny's protest against the passing of the Indian way of life.  |
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Post by rod222 on Aug 3, 2013 5:17:07 GMT
Telegraph Rates
acknowledgement Blair Stannard RCSD.
TransAtlantic Telegraph Rates
Printed Circular No. 6
The American Telegraph Company
Halifax, Nova Scotia, 4th Aug. 1866
COUNTRIES First20 words Each additional word
or less
To Great Britain
and Ireland $100.00 (50 pounds) $5.00 (1 pound)
To other parts
of Europe $105.00 $5.25
To Africa, Asia,
and India $125.00 $6.25
Remember those are 1866 dollars and pounds)
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Post by spain1850 on Aug 3, 2013 5:33:58 GMT
Don't have many early Spanish telegraphs, but here are some other interesting items.  1865 Color proofs in black - 1 RL, 4 RL and 20 RL, including the corresponding 20 RL stamp as issued. |
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Post by rod222 on Aug 3, 2013 7:51:45 GMT
Spain / Cuba Coat of arms, Castille and Leon 1230 >
Please note, bulb and twig under shield, near the orle of chains is a pomegranate. Oops! I posted the wrong pic, sorry. This is the Coat of Arms of Spain, Reign of Amadeo 1870-1873 PS : Telegraphs were not used during the US administration period. (1898-1902)  |
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Post by Ryan on Aug 3, 2013 9:00:07 GMT
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Post by rod222 on Aug 3, 2013 12:16:35 GMT
We need to archive this momentous occaision.
July 15th 2013
Stop ... 163 years of telegram service comes to an end in India
India’s last telegram went out late Sunday, marking the end of a service that millions of
Indians had relied on for fast communication for more than 160 years.
Hundreds of people thronged the 75 telegraph offices remaining in the country to send
their last telegrams to friends or family as a keepsake.
The company says declining revenues forced it to end the service, which had become
obsolete in an age of email, reliable landlines and ubiquitous cellphones.
Some of the last-day users sent telegrams to Kapil Sibal, India’s minister for
telecommunications, pleading for the service to be continued.
“The losses were mounting. It was not viable to have kept it going much longer,” Akhtar
said. That was especially true as the number of cellphone users exploded, with 867
million subscribers as of April.
The telecommunications ministry said it lost $250 million in the last seven years and that
it was time to put an end to the service.
India’s telegram service began in 1850, when the first telegram was sent from the eastern
city of Kolkata to Diamond Harbor, a southern suburb nearly 40 kilometres (25 miles)
from the city centre.
Over the next few decades, telegraph offices proliferated, wiring the vast subcontinent
with a network that became known for its speed and dependability.
At its peak in the mid-1980s, more than 45,000 telegraph offices dotted the country, with
tens of thousands of telegraph workers and delivery men dispatching more than 600,000
telegrams a day. From birth and death announcements, to college admissions, job
appointments and court summons, the telegram was the main way tens of millions of
Indians —— in the remotest parts of the country and in its teeming cities —— received
important news.
Until recently, the government used telegrams to inform recipients of top civilian awards
and for court notices. India’s armed forces even recognized telegrams from troops
extending vacations or from soldiers’ families requesting their presence at home for a
funeral.
It was not immediately known what mode of communication the government will choose
to replace the telegram for these types of announcements, but officials said since a lot of
work was now done electronically, government departments will likely opt for email.
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Post by rod222 on Aug 3, 2013 12:28:01 GMT
With appreciation of the work of Mr. Donald Byrum. Paraguay Telegraphs.  Paraguay Telegraph overprinted for Postal use.  |
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Post by cjd on Aug 3, 2013 13:10:16 GMT
Here is an India, to accompany the stories above:  These are often found used, as a half stamp. SG now lists the halves in the Commonwealth catalogue. A Sudan military telegraph, which is also often found used as a half:  Finally for now, a one-shilling Jamaica  |
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Post by rod222 on Aug 3, 2013 21:41:28 GMT
Great Britain : Queen Victoria 3 shilling Telegraph Die Proof 1876  1881 3 shiilling Telegraph Sideways Inverted Wmk (3,250 Great Brit Pounds 2003)  |
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Post by rod222 on Aug 3, 2013 21:46:57 GMT
Luxembourg 5 centimes Telegraph.  New Zealand : 1912-1920 Seal Cinderella for sealing Telegrams.  Nyassaland : 1949-1950 Ephemera remnant Telegraph Form.  |
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Post by cjd on Aug 3, 2013 21:59:00 GMT
A pretty little Ecuadorian:  and a hexagonal Belgian:  Belgium Mi3 telegraph |
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Post by rod222 on Aug 4, 2013 5:33:42 GMT
Australia : Telegraphic Subterfuge Spam Propaganda in official type cover. Circa 2010  Iran possibly Farsi Telegram Receipt.  |
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Post by rod222 on Aug 4, 2013 5:41:21 GMT
New Zealand : Slogan cancellation : "WRITE TELEGRAMS IN BLOCK LETTERS"  On Papua New Guinea Telegraphs................acknowledgement "Robert" Telegrams/telegraphs were paid for by the sender. A telegraph form was usually completed by the sending station and the charge was paid in some instances by stamps. These stamps were affixed to the telegraph form and cancelled by a cds. If, for example, a telegram were being sent from New Guinea to Australia or UK during WWI the cost to the sender would be 3d per word. This was quite a high charge and thus many high value stamps have telegraph cancellations. The telegraph form with the stamps affixed would normally be retained by the telegraph office for audit purposes. Telegraph forms of this era, and from WWII having adhesives affixed and cancelled are highly desirable items. It is interesting to note that for the period 1914-1925 not one telegraph form with cancelled adhesives is known to exist for the territory of New Guinea although many examples of stamps with telegraph cancels are known! If there are any out there let me know....... Robert |
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Post by rod222 on Aug 4, 2013 5:51:24 GMT
Know your Morse Code !  New Zealand : Slogan Cancel : "YOU CAN SEND MONEY BY TELEGRAM"  |
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Post by rod222 on Aug 4, 2013 6:00:06 GMT
France Ephemera : Telegraph sent by Pneumatic Post : (Source/owner of article unknown)  |
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Post by daniel on May 14, 2022 4:25:26 GMT
An unused British Post Office Inland Telegram form. George V era with an embossed 6d postage stamp.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2022 17:04:02 GMT
Have you ever wondered from where many of the finer used Victorian definitives come from that have a circular date stamp (CDS), then look no further than this little item I have recently seen of a telegram sent in 1900 that must have at least 70 used CDS stamps attached ! >  Many forms of communication that we have today did not exist during the Victorian period with the exception of the telegraph system, but the price to pay in sending a telegram was very costly, here the telegram shown above consisted of just 9 words that was sent from Ireland to South Africa in 1900 at a cost of £3, in today's money that equates to £390 (£43 per word) taking inflation into account. The telegraph stamps themselves were officially used by the post office and prior to that by private telegraph companies with their own design of stamp, I have read that the use of Post Office postage stamps on telegraph forms was prohibited in 1876, so presumably CDSs cancellations after then would be from genuine postage (letters or parcels) use, until eventually the postage stamps used from 1881 on telegram payments were recirculated once again. Apparently, all post office telegraph stamps were withdrawn on 1 November 1881 and remaining stocks were destroyed, and consequently postage stamps have been used ever since in payment and attached to the relevant telegram form. I'm sure that anyone interested in telegraph stamps will find much to be appreciated with regards to the information given on this next site by Steve Hiscocks that was later revised by Ian Pinwill & Paul Ramsay > www.gb-precancels.org/Telegraphs/PO.phpThe above article is a great source of reference for British telegraph stamps which also includes the private telegraph issues ! |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2022 19:59:41 GMT
Here is an Elizabethan equivalent of a telegram sent from London (Swiss Cottage) to the Gambia back in 1963, the amount charged is considerably less than the Victorian version being a modest 9/2d as against the £3 previously charged. Here is a combined attachment appertaining to the front and reverse of the telegram form. >  What is ironic is that the quantity of stamps attached to the front and rear of the telegram form has a total of 79 X ½d stamps which only amount to 3/3½d, this being a lot less than the total amount charged of 9/2d for sending the telegram. Therefore insufficient stamps have been attached (had they run out of ½d stamps or what ?). Why the ½d denomination was ever used in the first place is a bit of a mystery ! A most unusual item. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2022 21:27:12 GMT
On inspecting other remnants of recently used telegraph forms one thing that was quite noticeable was that the higher values or larger type British commemoratives had been defaced in some respect, usually with a hole or punch-mark in order to distinguish them from normal postal use possibly so that collectors wouldn't be interested in them if they got onto the market, many Aussie Roo high values was punched in the same way and they were all used on telegrams. This method of a hole type cancellation can also be found on US Revenues, US State Revenues, and Telegraphs, whilst it can be a form of cancellation, it often meant that the stamp was sold as a remainder.  Above you will find two examples of punch cancellations used on H/V Elizabethan stamps still affixed to cuttings of telegraph forms, either spherical or anvil shaped. |
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Post by JeffS on May 16, 2022 1:03:42 GMT
@paperchase - you wrote
"the higher values or larger type British commemoratives had been defaced in some respect, usually with a hole or punch-mark in order to distinguish them from normal postal use possibly so that collectors wouldn't be interested in them if they got onto the market..."
No sir. Strictly revenue protection to prevent washing off cancellations and reuse. A pound sterling was an amount worth protecting back then.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2022 6:20:02 GMT
Well jeffs, these stamps were cancelled on telegrams with a CDS using the same indelible ink as was the postally used ones, and I am of the understanding that Victorian, Edwardian and George 5th high values was printed using fugitive inks in order to prevent re-use.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2022 11:23:15 GMT
All I can say is that if holes had not been punched in the high value post office stamps used for payment of telegrams, then the value of the genuine postally used stamps would have suffered the consequences. Here is a thread on the Postage Stamp Chat Board & Stamp Forum mainly covering the Australian "hanging chads" and the "hole in one" variations relating to the high value Roo's back in 2007. www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=29252 Grist to the mill : Anyone for a round of philatelic golf ? |
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