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Post by Beryllium Guy on Mar 8, 2018 5:39:44 GMT
Lebanon Issues under French Mandate 1924-1927 (Scott #1-71)Inspired by the excellent recent post on this sub-board by Bombadil in which he pointed out that there were no images of stamps of Lebanon on TSF until he made his post, I decided to sort and organize my holdings to see what I could cobble together. I do not have a great deal, but below is a sampling from the earliest period for stamp issues, when Lebanon was governed by France. The stamps below are overprinted and surcharged stamps of France, and correspond to Lebanon, Scott #1-3, 5, 9, and 39.
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Bombadil
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Post by Bombadil on Mar 8, 2018 12:28:18 GMT
Nice looking stamps Beryllium Guy !! Those were simpler times were Beirut(Capital) used to be called "The Paris of the Middle East" .
Thank you Chris for reviving this sub-board .
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Mar 8, 2018 16:57:17 GMT
Nice looking stamps Beryllium Guy !! Those were simpler times were Beirut(Capital) used to be called "The Paris of the Middle East" .
Thank you Chris for reviving this sub-board . I am happy to do it! My plan moving forward is to look for more of these overprinted French stamps for use in Lebanon (and other countries, too, like Syria, Algeria, Andorra, etc.) during my time in France. I do know that there is stamp dealer in Aix-en-Provence, as I met him at the street market there during one of my previous visits. I will tell him of my interest once I am there, and I will let everyone know what I am able to find. Of course, if I do get some time in Paris, I will check things out there, too.
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Bombadil
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Post by Bombadil on Mar 14, 2018 21:00:37 GMT
Lebanon used the stamps of France, overprinted Grand Liban in 1924. From 1925 Lebanon had its own stamps marked Grand Liban. The Lebanese Republic was proclaimed on 23 May 1926,at first stamps of G'Liban were overprinted "Republique Libanaise". Later stamps were prepared in the name of the new republic and from the 1940s the term Liban started to be used , which is Lebanon's name in French. Yesterday i acquired few nice stamps of G.Liban & "Republique Libanaise" ,by trading some duplicates with a local dealer. Air Post - 1927 - Overprint on issue of 1926 (on regular issue 1925) . Scott # C17-C20
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Post by Beryllium Guy on May 6, 2018 20:59:08 GMT
Lebanon Issues under French Mandate 1924-1927 (Scott #1-71)
When I came to France, I promised my good friend Jad Bombadil that I would seek out early issues from Lebanon and report my findings. Well, I have done that with the one stamp dealer I have found here in Aix, and although he did not have a great deal of material, he was able to sell me one stock card full of stamps. The stamps below are overprinted and surcharged stamps of France, and correspond to Lebanon, Scott #2-3, 5-6, 9-10, 13, and 17. Jad, the good news for you is that when I go back to the U.S. in June for a short visit, I will consolidate all of my stamps of Lebanon, and all of my duplicates from this era will be sent to you. So, please bear with me, but in the coming weeks, you will be receiving some more classic stamps of Lebanon from me, I promise!
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Post by Beryllium Guy on May 10, 2018 20:35:43 GMT
Lebanon Issues under French Mandate 1924-1927 (Scott #1-71)
Well, I am sorry to say that I realize that these stamps are nothing great, all are used, of low catalogue value, and centering is also mediocre at best (with one possible exception), but these are the other items I was able to acquire from the dealer in Aix. I tried to post these a few nights ago, but had a wi-fi problem and lost the post just after I had completed it. So, just getting back to these now. They are Lebanon, Scott #23, 26, 28, 33, and 35. Of note is that these overprints show the Arabic language in addition to French, which is the second phase during this French Mandate period from 1924-1927.
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Post by Bombadil on May 13, 2018 17:08:31 GMT
1924 - Air Post - Out of set (C5-C8) Scott(2013) # C5 CV Mint or used £13
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Post by Bombadil on May 13, 2018 17:16:47 GMT
1925 - Air Post - Complete set - Overprinted "Plane" in French and Arabic Scott(2013) # C9-C12 (4) CV Mint or Used £18
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Post by Bombadil on May 13, 2018 17:27:39 GMT
1926 - Air Post - Overprint on regular issue of 1925 Scott(2013) Complete set - # C13-C16 (4) CV £19
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Post by Bombadil on May 13, 2018 18:55:18 GMT
1924 - Out of set (# 18-21) Commemorative Stamp of France 1924 Sc# 201, (Olympic Games) Surcharged "GRAND LIBAN" and New Values Scott # 21 CV Mint or Used £32.5
1924 - Out of set (#45-48) Commemorative Stamp of France 1924 Sc# 199 , (Olympic Games) Surcharged "GRAND LIBAN" and New Values in Arabic and French . Scott # 46 CV Mint or Used £32.5 I think this is a good example for stamp prices fluctuation over a short period of time (7 Years) , Scott 2006 lists # 21 & # 46 Mint or used @ £15 . 116% climb from 2006 to 2013 . That applies to almost all of the G.L stamps, most CVs increased by a minimum of 50% . Side Note : I have been advised by several Lebanese dealers to be aware of Forged Overprints of early Grand Liban , an abundance of counterfeits is out there especially in errors .
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Post by Bombadil on May 13, 2018 23:53:35 GMT
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Post by Bombadil on May 14, 2018 0:15:55 GMT
1927 - Last solo issued stamp under "Grand Liban".
Overprint on regular issue of 1925 Scott # 71 CV £2.5
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Post by Bombadil on Jun 29, 2018 0:49:30 GMT
Last Postage Due stamps of "Grand Liban" before the new "Republique Libanaise"
1925 - Scott # J11-J15 J11 is missing
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Post by blaamand on Jun 29, 2018 3:28:02 GMT
Beryllium Guy and Bombadil - These are really nice and interesting stamps, thanks for sharing Interesting - anyone have any good leads on how to detect the forgeries?
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Post by Bombadil on Jun 29, 2018 19:58:43 GMT
Interesting - anyone have any good leads on how to detect the forgeries? Thank you blaamand , That is an excellent question !! So far i have not been successful finding any such resources Online!!
To my knowledge there isn't any catalogues specializing in Lebanese forgeries , quoting an old time collector of Lebanese stamps "It takes practice and experience to distinguish genuine from forged Lebanese Overprints.Most importantly one needs reference material to compare with" .
Reference material can be in the form of large sheets that allows one to determine the plate position of an overprint.It is important to know that the overprints on the postage stamps(not the fiscal) have well defined measurements and this can help in determining forgeries.I am told that one reference gives these measurements, a guide by Alexander Kaczmarczyk, but i have not been able to put my hands on a copy so far !!
Added Note : I only bought few of these online, i stopped when i met some Lebanese collectors and heard what they have to say about o.p forgeries .Since then i have been buying G.Liban & Rep.Lib surcharged stamps (sometimes trading) from two famous Lebanese collectors only . My problem is when it comes to bargaining, especially that am always asking for Mint or Light Hinged, therefor i don't have many "Stamp condition" cards to play !! Being an young collector down here is like walking with a Ding Ding $$$ sign on your forehead
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2018 21:39:58 GMT
I am told that one reference gives these measurements, a guide by Alexander Kaczmarczyk, but i have not been able to put my hands on a copy so far !! Alexander Kaczmarczyk published some of his forgery articles in the London Philatelist 1990-1998 He did some specific forgery books on the area - Syria for sure & probably others. His main guide "The Postal Issues of Syria, Lebanon and the Alaouites: " comes up for sale very rarely - the last time it fetched $150 on eBay
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 29, 2018 21:56:50 GMT
Interesting - anyone have any good leads on how to detect the forgeries? Thank you blaamand , That is an excellent question !! So far i have not been successful finding any such resources Online!!
To my knowledge there isn't any catalogues specializing in Lebanese forgeries , quoting an old time collector of Lebanese stamps "It takes practice and experience to distinguish genuine from forged Lebanese Overprints.Most importantly one needs reference material to compare with" . Thanks for this informative post, Jad! I had not realized about Grand Liban overprint forgeries, but it certainly makes sense. If we want to find references, then I would suggest that the best members to ask would be @falshung , jkjblue , classicalstamps , Ryan , and tomiseksj . One of them may have or know where to find resources. My own humble suggestion would be to take the low CV (catalogue value) overprinted stamps from this period, like most of the ones of which I posted images on this thread, and compare the overprints on those to the high CV stamps, like your 1924 Olympics stamps, and see if the overprints look the same. If forgers are looking to defraud collectors, they will certainly spend their efforts on overprinting stamps which will end up with the highest CV. This is another case where the original issues of the France 1924 Olympic Games commemoratives have relatively low CVs compared to the overprinted and surcharged versions, so these stamps would have been prime candidates for forged overprints. Hopefully those who are more experienced in classic forgeries will be able to comment. Edit: Nelson (@falshung) has already responded as I was creating my post--well done, Nelson, I was obviously too slow off the mark!
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Post by blaamand on Jun 29, 2018 22:32:49 GMT
Thank you all for your helpful feedback concerning the forgeries of Lebanon. It's unfortunate that Kaczmarczyk work is so hard to find. I guess for now the most convenient is to use a postally used and beat-up low-catalog value specimen and use that as a guide for a genuine, same idea as the advice Beryllium Guy. But a bit more akward on the Air Mail issues. Bombadil - Hehe - Ching-ching!
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Post by Philatarium on Jun 30, 2018 2:47:24 GMT
This may be a little past the period you're looking for, but Morten (classicalstamps) has a few stamps written up on his website. He also lists some possible references. In case this is helpful: stampforgeries.com/forged-stamps-of-lebanon/
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Post by Bombadil on Jun 30, 2018 4:23:36 GMT
Thank you all for your helpful feedback concerning the forgeries of Lebanon. It's unfortunate that Kaczmarczyk work is so hard to find. I guess for now the most convenient is to use a postally used and beat-up low-catalog value specimen and use that as a guide for a genuine, same idea as the advice Beryllium Guy . But a bit more akward on the Air Mail issues.
I forgot to add this earlier,the Lebanese Association of stamps collectors (LAP) website. lapsite.org/
The association publishes the journal Lap Magazine every four months.The articles published will be inserted from time to time according to their subject, in the library section.They have some very informative articles about Lebanese and Arab world stamps . Most importantly they have a section (Expert Corner) only for Lebanese and Arab world forgeries, where they address mostly popular forgeries (only few articles so far).
This is an interesting article that might give everyone an idea on how to differentiate between forged and genuine overprints , especially Airmail issues .
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Post by Bombadil on Jul 4, 2018 1:29:23 GMT
First Definitive issue inscribed Grand Liban .
1925-Scott # 50-62 (13) - Some of the iconic sites of Lebanon,named in the bottom of each design.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2018 15:30:03 GMT
First Definitive issue inscribed Grand Liban .
1925-Scott # 50-62 (13) - Some of the iconic sites of Lebanon,named in the bottom of each
Nice presentation, good scans, good viewing size and full size "View Image" options. Something to imitate.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Oct 24, 2018 2:40:42 GMT
Nice looking stamps Beryllium Guy !! Those were simpler times were Beirut (Capital) used to be called "The Paris of the Middle East" .
Thank you Chris for reviving this sub-board . Well, it has taken me a while to get back to this, but I have finally gotten organized to do it. Sorry for being so slow, Jad. Since my first post of these issues back in March, I did acquire from the dealer at the Aix market some more of these early stamps, which allowed me to fill some holes and upgrade on some the previous examples. Lebanon, Scott #1-3, followed by #5-6 and 9, and in turn followed by #10 and 13. I do like these overprints and surcharges of the classic French issues! The complete set of these stamps consists of 14 values. So, 8 in hand and 6 more to find!
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Post by outremer01 on Mar 29, 2020 14:02:38 GMT
Continuing the above post by Beryllium Guy, some of the missing examples from my collection: SG 4 SG 8 SG 11
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Post by renden on Mar 29, 2020 21:04:47 GMT
I think I am going to buy the whole series - this will complement what I have already in Inventory - René
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Post by renden on Apr 14, 2020 17:03:42 GMT
I received my "Grand Liban" stamps today and here they are on Steiner page Scott # 1-14 René
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Post by cjoprey on Apr 15, 2020 8:15:07 GMT
Looks great René! Nice set.
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