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Post by hrdoktorx on Oct 11, 2020 9:56:46 GMT
Yesterday during the TSF Collector's Chat, we evoked the topic of covers with mixed frankings because of the addition of postage due stamps from the destination country, so I thought we could show some examples. I have two in my own collection: 1. Postcard mailed from Köslin, Germany, on 23.7.1920 (a special date in my family, fun happenstance!), with two Germania issues totaling 30 pfg. to Strasbourg (recently won back by France at the end of WWI). Arrived in Strasbourg on July 27 th and was affixed an additional 5 centimes of postage due. 2. On piece, mailed from Copenhagen (Denmark), likely in late 1949 (considering the use of the UPU 75 th anniversary issue from that year) with a total of 84 öre, to Bowling Green (Ohio) where 15 cents of postage due stamps were added.
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Post by vikingeck on Oct 11, 2020 12:51:02 GMT
A small piece of cover to Switzerland Franked 1½ d I guess the rate should have been 2 ½d and the deficit 1d , doubled converts to 60 gold centimes = 60 swiss centimes
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Post by vikingeck on Oct 11, 2020 13:15:19 GMT
Here's another , From Denmark to Switzerland 21 Ore franking , enough for a postcard but not enough for a letter ? Too many words so has the Post office decided it is a letter rather than a card ?
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Post by vikingeck on Oct 11, 2020 13:24:56 GMT
This one is slightly puzzling, Tangier Morocco Postage due stamps added but no manuscript or handstamp of rate due .. I wonder if it is a charge for Poste Restante service rather than postage due . There is an arrival mark on the reverse for 25-7-32 and the Morocco stamps are cancelled 27-7-32.
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Post by vikingeck on Oct 11, 2020 13:36:37 GMT
THis time not "POSTAGE DUE" as we understand it , but payment for another postal service. Here is a Card from Denmark which has been delivered to the address but the lady has gone on a visit elsewhere.The card has left the postal system so requires regular postage added for forwarding to a second address. Danish Franking correct , but + GB 1d Postcard rate to forward
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Post by kasvik on Oct 11, 2020 16:31:10 GMT
Here's another , From Denmark to Switzerland 21 Ore franking , enough for a postcard but not enough for a letter ? Too many words so has the Post office decided it is a letter rather than a card ?
Yep, I'm a sucker for this kind of mystery. I like 'too many words.'
It's tricky figuring rates when inflation was zipping along. And I am no good on Denmark. But this looks like a mistake. Here is a contemporary, seven moths later, CPH-Hohenstein-Ernstthal 31.10.21. The clerks thought it fine and dandy, stamped four ore more than your Basel card, 25 instead of 21 ore. So why the ten centimes pout? Inflation uncertainty is my guess. Your Morocco cover is worse.
The big 10 is dramatic. They made sure Mrs. Swane paid. But it looks nice. No wonder she saved it.
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Post by hrdoktorx on Oct 11, 2020 19:14:00 GMT
Since Beryllium Guy widened the scope of this thread to other mixed frankings, I can show two other types: 1. Sometimes the validity of stamps in an area will outlast the political entity that issued them. We see this here on this cover from 30 April 1978, mailed from Djibouti to La Ciotat (France), where both a stamp from the French Territory of the Afars and Issas and one from the Republic of Djibouti are used. The latter is actually an overprinted Afars and Issas stamp, too! Djibouti obtained its independence from France on 1 January 1978. 2. Sometimes, it's downright fraud, where similar looking stamps/currencies are used to defraud the postal authorities. Much easier to pull this trick these days that covers are machine cancelled if at all and treated automatically by machines with little human intervention to check that the stamps are valid in the first place. I've shown some examples before, but here is another one, mailed from a stamp dealer in Paris to me, but using two French stamps and a Monaco one:
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Post by stanley64 on Oct 14, 2020 9:46:50 GMT
Fantastic examples; thanks for sharing Alex ( vikingeck), et al! As I look for similar items to add to my own collection, I am especially taken with those covers that include the postage due stamps... Happy collecting!
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Oct 14, 2020 20:29:00 GMT
Thanks to Xavier ( hrdoktorx ) for starting this thread! Yes, I changed the name to widen the scope a bit, but we already had other kinds of mixed frankings posted by then, so it was a bit of a "fait accompli" by that point. I don't have too many examples of mixed frankings in my collection, but here is one on a postcard fragment that I first discovered a few years ago: Mixed franking: U.S., Sc C39, 6-cent Carmine Air Mail stamp and Cuba, Sc RA16, 1-centavo Slate Blue Postal Tax stamp US Sc C39 was issued in 1949 and Cuba Sc RA16 in Feb-1952, so the usage must have happened sometime after the later date. Back in 2017, Steve ( tomiseksj ) helped me to get an expert's opinion about this piece. That expert was Ernesto Cuesta, and he responded to my query as follows:
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Post by vikingeck on Oct 14, 2020 21:28:02 GMT
Here is another Mixed franking with Panama Stamps added to pay for a return to sender service on a USA cover which seems to have been connected to testing new PAN AM airmail services. The Panama return stamps were added at the Airline expense and include 1c Tax . The pointing finger " Revuelta al Remittente" = Return to Sender 10c US presumably the airmail rate to Panama ? but only 8+1 centavos from Panama which is ok for surface rate. JeffS suggests below this may be a saving by PanAm of 2c since the cover is not marked “AIRMAIL” I have had this for years and never looked closely at the Panama stamp, It commemorates the Curies and the "Lucha Contra el cancer " The fight against Cancer
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Post by JeffS on Oct 14, 2020 21:55:17 GMT
vikingeck
Here's a page from my FDR Memorial Issue exhibit which may explain your cover. 8 cents was the surface letter rate to the USA at this time. As "air mail" was not indicated on the cover, PanAm saved a few cents. I believe the 1-c stamp is a postal tax stamp required on all mail.
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Post by vikingeck on Oct 15, 2020 8:21:50 GMT
Thanks JeffS , I wondered what it was all about . I can now edit my text above in view of your information.
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Post by Ryan on Nov 23, 2022 6:33:24 GMT
I came across something the other night while sorting through some kiloware which fits this thread. Here's a piece cancelled in Reading, PA with mostly Cayman Islands postage and a single 1 cent US stamp. Note the use of the dreaded Comic Sans font on the stamps from the Caymans! I also found a stamp from Singapore in that pile of kiloware which uses that font. Ryan
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Post by Ryan on Nov 27, 2022 9:18:50 GMT
And just a few days after my last post in this thread, I have another mixed franking cutout involving a stamp from the Cayman Islands. In this case, the Spanish stamp has a high face value so there is certainly no attempt at postal fraud here, just a matter of somebody sticking on an extra 1/4c stamp for the heck of it. I snipped the cutout into two before thinking about it so I had to lay the pieces up against each other again for the picture. Ryan
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Post by Ryan on Dec 6, 2022 5:37:41 GMT
One more example of a mixed franking was found in tonight's snooping through my mountain of kiloware I'm in the midst of sorting. A UK Machin and a Berlin castle share a postmark from post office Berlin 11. Ryan
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Post by vikingeck on Jan 14, 2023 15:11:55 GMT
Postcard souvenir "the Year of Three Kings" no not the Three Kings of the new Testament, but the 1936 year of the death of George V, The abdication of Edward VIII , and the accession of George VI Mixed Franking on Postcard I have this on ebay at the moment at £3.99 , seller name hamstrungr
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Post by hrdoktorx on Feb 17, 2023 6:51:25 GMT
Received yesterday, another creative usage of mixed franking for a stamp dealer to save on a few pennies by using Monaco stamps labelled in Francs but positioned on top of each other to occult the country's name, leaving only a relatively cheap France stamp on top to carry the day.
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Post by smauggie on Feb 21, 2023 21:03:39 GMT
From a piece of the parcel wrapping paper. 10 cents customs fee due on parcel from the UK.
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Post by smauggie on Feb 25, 2023 0:53:14 GMT
Registered mail envelope that was forwarded.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Feb 25, 2023 16:57:24 GMT
Postcard souvenir "the Year of Three Kings", no not the Three Kings of the New Testament, but the 1936 year of the death of George V, the abdication of Edward VIII, and the accession of George VI. I have this on eBay at the moment at £3.99, seller name hamstrungrAlex, did you end up selling this item? I was interested in it, but when I looked recently, it was no longer listed. If you still have it, I would be interested in a private sale, if you are willing. If not, then too bad for me.
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Post by smauggie on Feb 25, 2023 16:58:49 GMT
Registered mail from Puerto Rico.
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Post by REL1948 on Feb 25, 2023 17:40:32 GMT
Postcard souvenir "the Year of Three Kings", no not the Three Kings of the New Testament, but the 1936 year of the death of George V, the abdication of Edward VIII, and the accession of George VI. I have this on eBay at the moment at £3.99, seller name hamstrungrAlex, did you end up selling this item? I was interested in it, but when I looked recently, it was no longer listed. If you still have it, I would be interested in a private sale, if you are willing. If not, then too bad for me. Beryllium Guy,
Too funny Chris, I won it soon after Alex (vikingeck) listed it. It's not here yet but I'm looking forward to it for a special transition page in my new Palo Great Britain album. I don't have many postcards but this one is really special. Rob
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Feb 25, 2023 17:48:17 GMT
Well, if you got it, Rob ( REL1948 ), then I am happy about that. It couldn't happen to nicer guy.... good one! I will still be on the lookout to get one of those for myself, so if anyone out there has one or sees one available, please let me know. vikingeck daniel philatelia gbcc drblade Thanks!
Edit: To be clear, I would like the postcard with the mixed franking stamps on it, cancelled contemporaneously. There is an unused postcard listed on eBay right now, but that doesn't interest me so much.
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Post by vikingeck on Feb 25, 2023 17:51:25 GMT
Postcard souvenir "the Year of Three Kings" Hi Chris Beryllium Guy Rob bought this at the starting price... I thought it might have fetched a bit more but he was the sole bidder
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Feb 25, 2023 18:07:33 GMT
Thanks, Alex ( vikingeck). If you ever come across another one, I would be very interested.
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Post by drblade on Feb 25, 2023 18:49:38 GMT
Well, if you got it, Rob ( REL1948 ), then I am happy about that. It couldn't happen to nicer guy.... good one! I will still be on the lookout to get one of those for myself, so if anyone out there has one or sees one available, please let me know. vikingeck daniel philatelia gbcc drblade Thanks! I will keep an eye out for you, or rather the postcard!!
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Post by smauggie on Feb 25, 2023 21:57:26 GMT
Tiny postage due cover sent from South Africa to South West Africa with charity cinderella.
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Post by hrdoktorx on May 8, 2023 9:38:09 GMT
As part of my soaking project today, I came across the following, which obviously escaped the bath. This was mailed to me from a stamp dealer in Paris, cancelled on Nov. 22 nd, 2022. Not the frequent mixed franking offender I have posted about in this thread. So I think this one is more in the category of "honest mistake", but still an illegal practice. It's not obvious to spot, but notice that the bird stamp in the middle of the bottom row is from St-Pierre-et-Miquelon.
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Post by drblade on May 8, 2023 14:18:18 GMT
Postcard souvenir "the Year of Three Kings" no not the Three Kings of the new Testament, but the 1936 year of the death of George V, The abdication of Edward VIII , and the accession of George VI Mixed Franking on Postcard I have this on ebay at the moment at £3.99 , seller name hamstrungr Hi Alex, seller name not coming up on eBay or Google search, saw 2 other examples of the postcard from different sellers, one unaddressed the other with identical address??
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Post by Ryan on May 9, 2023 3:55:40 GMT
A recent re-sorting of already-sorted stamps has turned up a few more examples of cutouts with stamps from two countries on them. First, this clip of stamps from Luxembourg which had (I presume) an address redirection added to the envelope, along with a British stamp cancelled in Lymington, Hampshire (Hampshire with its odd abbreviation of "Hants."), all slapped directly over top of the stamps originally cancelled in Luxembourg-Ville. Next, two American stamps sharing space with a Thai stamp, all cancelled in Seattle, WA. And finally, stamps from USA & Canada share a Canadian spray jet cancellation. I have to admit to being relatively surprised that I have found so many of these things in the past few months - I certainly don't remember seeing so many of them in the past. Ryan
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