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Post by rex on Nov 6, 2020 22:07:14 GMT
 King Vittorio Emanuele III Series Floral 1921 Sassone n.200. I believe the overprint is from an Italian office abroad, the problem is I can't identify it,... Im not sure if I read " Colchin " ...? Thanks so far to those who can help In the 1920s Italy had post offices in Beijing China. Think possible an overprint of the place. .? |
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Post by khj on Nov 6, 2020 22:34:52 GMT
"Colonia Eritrea"? You have to sort of mentally screen out the postmark that makes it look like Colohia. I don't see it listed in Scott, and the quality of the "overprint" is very poor, so...
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Post by rex on Nov 6, 2020 22:44:14 GMT
I have already tried with Colonia Eritrea, it is not in the Sassone.
Furthermore, the 25 cent was not overprinted for use in Eritrea.
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Post by hrdoktorx on Nov 7, 2020 9:04:10 GMT
The tricky part about this one is that the underlying stamp is the green version from 1925-27, not the earlier blue one that does exist with many overprints. I looked in my Yvert Africa and AFA Europe catalogs and found no candidates. A great mystery!
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Nov 7, 2020 9:18:09 GMT
Interesting thread, Ludovico ( rex ), thanks for posting, and thanks to Kim ( khj ) for responding. When I first read that response, I thought it seemed right. But I have continued to look at this, and I have been searching in the 2008 Scott Classic Specialized Catalogue. The problem is that so far, I can't even find the 25-cent green issue (Scott Design Type A46) listed in an overprinted version in any of the Italian Offices Abroad or other occupational issues. I have spent a couple of hours looking already, both online and in the catalogue, and I can't even find an overprint that would seem to resemble what's on the stamp. I just went through all of the overprints for Italian Offices Abroad, Aegean Islands, African Colonies, and Occupation Stamps (Austria & Dalmatia), and I cannot find any instance of the A46 Type 25-cent green as an overprinted issue. It makes me wonder if this stamp has actually been overprinted, or if the indistinct marking is something else. I have also tried looking for a clue in the postmark, which seems to show ---RDLI POSTE or perhaps ---ROLI POSTE or something like that. Also, difficult to decipher. I have also not been able to find any location match for this partial postmark, either. Ludovico, it's a real stumper! For the moment, I am going to do some other things and may look at this again later. Sorry I have been unable to track this down. |
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Post by rex on Nov 7, 2020 10:32:42 GMT
First of all, I sincerely thank you(You all) for your time and interest in solving this mystery. I add images with different light and colors that maybe can help. .?    |
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Post by classicalstamps on Nov 7, 2020 10:58:00 GMT
It is not uncommon to see fraudulent overprints on stamps which doesn't resemble anything officially released.
Sometimes it is just because the "forger" is lazy/stupid. Other times it is to create "rarities" that doesn't exist.
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Post by rex on Nov 7, 2020 11:08:41 GMT
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Post by rex on Nov 7, 2020 11:11:49 GMT
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Post by rex on Nov 7, 2020 11:21:39 GMT
I also thought about what you say classicalstamps it is not to be excluded. Thanks to everyone again anyway for any contribution. |
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Post by rex on Nov 7, 2020 11:42:11 GMT
.... and the rear .  |
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Nov 7, 2020 12:46:11 GMT
Thanks for the additional images, Ludovico ( rex). They are nice, but don't really give any new info, at least not to me. Part of the problem is that the postmark lettering is strongest right in the area where the supposed overprint is located, making it very hard to distinguish between the two. I have also checked again, and most Italian Offices Abroad issues were not only overprinted, but also surcharged, and your example does not appear to be. I would have to guess at this point that Morten ( classicalstamps) may well be right, or that it could be some other type of overprint, perhaps something local and/or done by hand. |
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Post by rex on Nov 7, 2020 14:11:13 GMT
I believe at this point it is
an overprint imprinted by hand with a pad over the cancellation.
A bad forgery. .perhaps.. ?!
Thank you all.
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Post by vikingeck on Nov 7, 2020 14:19:21 GMT
Well I examined it with Retroreveal. Vertically and Horizontally to try to,isolate the postmark and have to confess not any wiser.
I reckon “colonia Eritrea “ is most probable but it has not been printed as in the regular issues . This looks like a rubber handstamp . I have not found any places in Italian Eritrea which match the postmark.
On another board there were always discussions whether the overprint was under or on top of the postmark. I maintain this is almost impossible to say from a scanned image, the original has to be examined. If it appears on top of the postmark it has to be fake.
The mystery remains .
I see Ludovico has arrived at the same conclusion as my instincts.
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Post by rex on Nov 7, 2020 15:45:24 GMT
Thanks Alex. ...... vikingeck . Your evaluation is extremely important to me, for the stamp, but much more for the esteem that I have for you as a philatelist and friend. Thank You |
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