cara
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Post by cara on Mar 9, 2021 21:27:12 GMT
Beethoven-Sheetlet of West-Germany (FRG) - issued September 8, 1959 (first sheetlet of FRG) Michel Block 2 - # 315 - 319(Block 1 was before the founding of FRG - issued April 22, 1949) cara
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bobstew617
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Post by bobstew617 on Mar 10, 2021 1:07:50 GMT
cara , I love this sheetlet! Especially interesting with the 250th anniversary of Beethoven's birth. I have a MNH copy. Interesting sidelights: 1) I have deduced the only reason the four composers shown below him either were born or died on a milestone anniversary year, but it's an odd group to put together with Beethoven, in my mind, as: 2) Haydn and Beethoven were not on the best of terms as Haydn was his first music teacher in Vienna and it did NOT go very well; 3) Louis Spohr, the least known of the five, loathed Beethoven, and believe it or not, his music was at least as popular as Beethoven's during their lifetimes. (Now we say Louis who?) 4) The only one of the 4 who had a favorable connection to Beethoven was Mendelssohn, who revived the playing of Beethoven's Violin Concerto (and conducted it) before he died prematurely.
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cara
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Post by cara on Mar 10, 2021 11:01:00 GMT
Thank you bobstew617 these are very interesting sidelights. I must admit that I am not very well versed in the field of classical music and do not know the background. I am ashamed of it. But for that I also have my wife, she is my music expert.  ... and in addition I now have the TSF. Thanks again! cara |
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salentin
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Post by salentin on Mar 10, 2021 13:53:22 GMT
Issued for the opening of the ( 3rd) "Beetvoven Halle" (concert hall) in Bonn (birthplace of Beethoven and capital of West-Germany), the souvenir sheet was issued on Sept.8th,1959.
It happened in the hey-days of stamp-collecting in Germany and so the s.s. with a print of 4.771.000 was sold out in less than one week.
I was a scoolboy (Quartaner) on a gymnasium (grammar school) in 1959,almost 13 years of age.I had no information about newly issued stamps at the time,other than by hear-say from my comrades. The souvenir sheet was issued on the 8th of September.I learned about it on the 9th.However by then it was already sold out at the head-post-office of my town,and all other close by sub-post-offices (all gone today).However one of the clerks told us - we were in group of several boys -,that there was still one office in a suburb,what had stocks of the s.s. We went there and could buy five s.s. each. The above I asked to get cancelled and I still own it.
In mint n.h. condition the s.s. sell for about 50% of used (c.t.o.).For postally used there is no premium,as 100% were used philatelicly. The price went up immediately and reached about DM 100.- in mint at it´s peak.Now it can be found in special offers for less than € 10.- (DM 20.-)
The notes show an autograph of Beethoven´s 9th symphony,the chorus of the 4th set,"Ode an die Freude" (ode to joy), what was adopted as the anthem of Europe. bobstew617`remarks about Haydn-Beethoven are only half the truth.Other than Haydn,Beethoven was not an easy person to deal with. He was a genius and he knew that very well.As a genius,he could not accept that he learned from others,in that case Haydn. However many of his early works,namely the symphonies no.1 and no.2 and maybe no.8 show so clearly the influence of Haydn, that Beethoven´s remark:" I have learned nothing from him" (Haydn),is proved ad absurdum.
The first "Beethoven Halle" was built as a temporary site for a Beethoven-festival in 1845,directed by Franz Liszt.
1870 a permanent second hall was built,what was destroyed by an allied bomb-raid on Oct.18th,1944.
The new 3rd "Beethoven Halle" was built at a cost of DM 9.5 millions.
In 1996 it was overhauled and got some more smaller buildings added at a cost of DM 22.6 millions.
After a long debate in 2009/10,wether to demolish the hall and build a complete new one,it was finally decided to modernize the hall.
The projected costs of the works,what began in 2016 were € 60 mill.However the latest estimates run up to € 166 mill. or 320 mill.in DM currency. The reopening is scheduled for the year 2022.
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bobstew617
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Post by bobstew617 on Mar 11, 2021 3:06:21 GMT
salentin, I do agree most of the issues between Haydn and Beethoven were Beethoven's fault. He definitely had a problem with ANY authority figure. I do need to call out that Haydn was called on to teach the upstart from Bonn between his two stays in London. Two of his closest friends, including Wolfgang Mozart, had died not long before, and he was very much in the grieving process.
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cara
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Post by cara on Mar 11, 2021 8:14:24 GMT
Members of the resistance-Sheetlet of West-Germany (FRG) - issued July 20, 1964 Michel Block 3 - # 431 - 438
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salentin
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Post by salentin on Mar 12, 2021 14:38:07 GMT
addenda:
Not a very popular souvenir sheet. But rather curious was the official order about the sheet. It said,that the intact s.s. was not valid for postage,but the torn out stamps only. However regardeless of the order,complete s.s. were tolerated on FDC and for other letters as well. I guess the s.s. exists on philatelic inspired letters only.
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Post by anglobob on Mar 12, 2021 16:12:39 GMT
salentinInteresting comment that the souvenir sheet was not valid for postage but single stamps from the sheet were. When I was in UK,I often purchased the souvenir sheets and broke them down for postage.In some cases,the stamps on a souvenir sheet were different from the regular issues.A few times I had to convince the post office clerk that the stamps were valid.As far as I know,there is no order saying souvenir sheets are not valid for postage. Anglobob
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cara
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Post by cara on Mar 12, 2021 16:13:55 GMT
1st anniversary of the death of Konrad Adenauer - first chancellor of West Germany - Sheetlet of West-Germany (FRG) - issued April 19, 1968 Michel Block 4 - # 554 - 557 50 years of women's suffrage - Sheetlet of West-Germany (FRG) - issued August 11, 1969 Michel Block 5 - # 596 - 598 cara
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salentin
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Post by salentin on Mar 12, 2021 17:01:10 GMT
Ja,Robert,usually this is true for souvenir sheets of Germany as well.They are of course valid for postage. This strange official order applied to the "Martyrs Sheet" only.
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Post by brightonpete on Mar 12, 2021 21:49:51 GMT
Scott mentions that in their catalogue. I always thought it was odd that the stamps were valid for postage, but not the souvenir sheet. Why? What was their reasoning?
Issued to honour the German resistance to the Nazis, 1943-45.
Printed in sheet of eight, containing one each of Nos. 883-890,
se-tenant. Size; 148x105mm. The stamps were valid; the sheet
was not, though widely used. Values: mint $6; used $11.
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cara
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Post by cara on Mar 12, 2021 22:43:49 GMT
Good question, Pete. I did not find anything about the reason. Only that it was an official decree.
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cara
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Post by cara on Mar 13, 2021 19:19:14 GMT
Germany 1972 Olympic GamesMichel Block 6 - # 684 - 687 - issued June 4, 1971  (not to be confused with Michel # 680 - 683. The same stamps but without year "1971" in the lower right corner)Michel Block 7 - # 723 - 726 - issued July 5, 1972  Michel Block 8 - # 734 - 737 - issued August 18, 1972  cara
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cara
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Post by cara on Mar 13, 2021 22:36:49 GMT
IBRA 1973 - International stamps exhibition Munich 1973 Michel Block 9 - # 766 - 767 - issued April 5, 1973  cara
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cara
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Post by cara on Mar 14, 2021 10:16:38 GMT
25 years Federal Republic of GermanyMichel Block 10 - # 807 - issued May 15, 1974  cara
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Post by brightonpete on Mar 14, 2021 15:22:06 GMT
On sheets like this one, I don't bother collecting the single as it is essentially the same thing. Only when they are different will I collect both.
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cara
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Post by cara on Mar 19, 2021 20:39:52 GMT
German Peace Nobel LaureatesMichel Block 11 - # 871-873 - issued November 14, 1975  Olympic Games 1976 MontrealMichel Block 12 - # 888-889 - issued April 6, 1976 
The drawing on the field hockey stamp is wrong because the players are holding the sticks incorrectly. The drawing on the rowing stamp is correct, but unfortunately the picture shows the rowing team of GDR and not of FRG ... and this at the time of the cold war  cara
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cara
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Post by cara on Mar 21, 2021 10:02:00 GMT
Christmas Michel Block 13 # 912 - issued November 16, 1976  German Art NouveauMichel Block 14 # 923 - 925 - issued February 16, 1977  ChristmasMichel Block 15 # 955 - issued November 10, 1977 
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cara
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Post by cara on Aug 16, 2021 22:07:06 GMT
I started this thread with souvenir sheet Michel # 2 of West-Germany. Now I show souvenir sheet Michel # 1 (# 103 - 105) on cover with correct postage of 80 Pfennige and "Notopfer Berlin" 2 Pfennige. Issued April 22, 1949.   Unfortunately I do not know which colour  . cara |
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... and in addition I now have the TSF. Thanks again!
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