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Post by skid on Dec 8, 2021 1:35:07 GMT
The fiscal stamps were first issued in January 1867 imperforate. Two dies were used. In die II (introduced in 1871?) the top value tablet is wider, the vertical shading lines in the value tablets and more openly spaced and noticeable, and the two white dots left & right in circle are more apparent. Various unofficial separations were used. Official perforated issues were introduced in May 1867. 10x10, 12½x12½ 10x12½ and 12½x10 have been recorded. Several watermarks were used including, Star, NZ Interlaced, Multi Star, NZ Wide, NZ Close. In 1878 the 1d was introduced and the all the issues were replaced in 1880 by a new design of fiscal stamps which remained in use until 1931. See the following links for more information The NZ Society of Great BritainDave Elsmore - NZ Revenues
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Post by skid on Dec 8, 2021 1:37:57 GMT
First fiscal stamps issued in January 1867 imperforate.
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Post by skid on Dec 8, 2021 1:38:26 GMT
Comparison of the two dies. In die II (introduced in 1871?) the top value tablet is wider (I don't think I can see this), the upper and lower lobes of the upper value tablet are more circular, the connection to the lobes in the upper value tablet on the right hand side are more rounded in die 2, the vertical shading lines in the value tablets and more openly spaced and noticeable, the two white dots left & right in circle are more apparent, and Die 1 has a small coloured dot near the fern frond top right (thanks Philip, see below). Die I, Die II
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Post by skid on Dec 8, 2021 1:40:11 GMT
An unofficial separation
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Post by skid on Dec 8, 2021 1:42:32 GMT
Official perforations 12½x10, 12½x12½, 10x12½, and 10x10
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Post by skid on Dec 8, 2021 1:46:28 GMT
Watermarks NZ wide, NZ close, NZ Interlaced, Multi Star?, (Star not shown),
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Post by skid on Dec 8, 2021 1:47:41 GMT
The 1d issues. The 1d lilac was issued on 15 June 1878 and was replaced by the 1d blue on 14 December 1878. For more information see link
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Post by skid on Dec 8, 2021 1:55:04 GMT
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Post by skid on Dec 8, 2021 1:57:13 GMT
And some other specialized fiscal stamps. Counterpart stamps were used for duplicate (i.e. counterpart) documents. Denoting were used for subsequent documents for the same transaction. For more information see link
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Post by skid on Dec 9, 2021 17:43:24 GMT
There are a large variety of perforations for the second issue including 11, 11.5, 11 3/4, 12, 12.5, 14, 14.5, and 14.5x14. Here is an unusual one, but is probably a 14 or 14.5 with poorly defined perforations.
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Post by tundrawolf on Dec 14, 2021 22:58:23 GMT
Here's a nice looking early fiscal piece I have: If the upper right corner is not obscured by a cancel an easy way to identify Die 1 is the small coloured dot near the fern frond. Philip
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Post by DK on Dec 15, 2021 3:13:31 GMT
Now those are lovely.
I am not a great fan of fiscal stamps normally - unless mint/unused or nicely cancelled with a circular cancel - such as yours above.
Manuscripts / embossing / punched holes / foil etc etc spoil the aesthestic appeal for me BUT your examples above are beautiful.
Dave
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Post by tundrawolf on Dec 16, 2021 4:15:35 GMT
Another one I like, on bleute paper. Philip
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Post by tundrawolf on Dec 17, 2021 6:37:36 GMT
And here is a very interesting piece: Philip
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Post by DK on Dec 17, 2021 7:59:52 GMT
Beautiful copy on the 'bleute' paper above Philip. I am getting more attracted to these with the ones you are showing us :-)
And the examples on the parcel piece are 'postally' used (should be on the other thread too). A registered piece. What do you think would have necessitated £8 5sh and 6d ?
EDIT: IS this a genuine piece Philip or has it been manipulated (cleaned fiscals !) ? There is evidence of some m/s on there!
Dave
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Post by tundrawolf on Feb 11, 2022 1:34:47 GMT
Hi Dave and others,
You are correct Dave it is a FAKE. It's not known when these were made but the forger started with genuine Die 1 6s 8d and Die 2 8d's and manufactured a number of different high values that never existed. My example on piece has forged cancels.
Philip
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Post by daniel on Apr 12, 2024 23:18:52 GMT
An escutcheoned example of three fiscal stamps from the 1882 series. These were attached to blue paper (the escutcheon) and pasted onto a parchment document. The duty stamps were then applied. A cutter was then used to make two small slits in the stamps/paper/parchment and a strip of tin foil threaded through the slits and the ends folded back behind the document and a cypher label was stuck over the folded foil at the back. The stamps have been trimmed which was not an uncommon practice with such usage. Stamp values of Fifty Pounds, Three Pound Ten Shilling and Two Pounds and Sixpence have been used. Stamp Office Christchurch hand stamps have been applied for Aug 9 1890. The entire ensemble has then been embossed with a fern leaf pattern.
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Post by DK on Apr 23, 2024 20:25:16 GMT
A few of the higher value Postal Fiscals just received in from a local dealer. These are the few that are in good condition and do not have 'Postal Like' cancels on them Dave
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Post by daniel on Apr 29, 2024 1:35:45 GMT
Another escutcheoned example with two Queen Victoria fiscal stamps, One Hundred Pounds and Five Shillings, and two Edward VII Postage and Revenue stamps. Missing the Cypher label on the reverse. Stamp Office Wellington cancels
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Post by hdm1950 on May 3, 2024 18:16:38 GMT
There has been recent activity on this thread so I thought I would share the few duty stamps I have. I do not really collect them but tend to keep them when I find them in old collections. On line research suggests that the 'FINE PAID' without a value stamp may be of some interest based on asking prices. Some further searching on the NZ Revenues site I think the examples listed for big prices are by dreamers. My copy has foxing so I am attempting a bit of cleaning. After a 3% peroxide bath. It did clean up a bit but I did not want to leave it too long.
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Post by DK on May 4, 2024 23:00:55 GMT
On line research suggests that the 'FINE PAID' without a value stamp may be of some interest based on asking prices. Some further searching on the NZ Revenues site I think the examples listed for big prices are by dreamers. Nice lot of revenues there Hugh. I picked up a lot containing 4x 'Fine Paid' like yours shown above a few years ago. I got them IIRC for about NZ$20 - US$12 - so not much pro rata. High prices for similar ones are probably as you say 'Dreamers'. BTW I like that 1/- of yours above. Is it Mint or MNG? Dave
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Post by hdm1950 on May 5, 2024 0:10:33 GMT
Dave DK the 1 shilling Stamp Duty appears to be mint with some glue and rather strange signs of hinge remnants. Funny aside about the Fine Paid stamp eBay listings. It is an Australia seller that was asking 400.00 AUS. When I put it on my watch list I was sent an offer of 89% off bringing it down to 40.51 CDN. I do not wish to mention the sellers name here but they have over 20,000 listings.
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