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Post by paulh on Jul 12, 2022 16:35:36 GMT
 Hi everyone, this is the first time I've done this so I hope the above image comes out OK. I have taken on the task in retirement of sorting out my late fathers stamp collection and I have just got to Canada (figuratively!!). About 50 years ago he was gifted the collection of an elderly lady's long dead father after doing some charity work for her. The attached Victorian stamps were part of this and I am trying to date them (you can see I have had a go) and am in the process of transferring the catalogued collection into Hawid mounts. The bad news is that the old lad who put the collection together used stamp hinges with the consistency of carpet tape that wont remove without inflicting severe damage and I have no choice but to live with that. Can anyone advise if my attempts at dating these specimens is realistic? Thanks in advance for any help. Paul Saffron Walden ENGLAND |
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Post by renden on Jul 12, 2022 16:54:41 GMT
Hi everyone, this is the first time I've done this so I hope the above image comes out OK. Can anyone advise if my attempts at dating these specimens is realistic? Thanks in advance for any help. Paul Saffron Walden ENGLAND Paul, # 1 recommendation: get a CANADA catalog or use Scott International or at least one that covers Canada - If you do have a big CANADA collection i would buy our Unitrade Canada Specialized cat - Problem is the shipping to the UK .Most CANADA collectioners have the stamps shown and usually (not for varieties) Unitrade #=Scott # - I would not use Scott for the Large Queens and Small Queens (varieties etc) and there are many others that do have varieties so in other words do not invest in Scott for Canada and its Provinces - they are found in Unitrade. René |
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Post by dgdecker on Jul 12, 2022 16:58:38 GMT
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renden
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Post by renden on Jul 12, 2022 17:45:55 GMT
dgdecker - are you telling me you are going to scan Unitrade in the future -  ? René
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hdm1950
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Post by hdm1950 on Jul 12, 2022 20:48:04 GMT
If these were mine I would be soaking them off the sheet. They are a good beginning for a collection of Victoria era Canada if they soak off ok. The cancels are nice on the 1897 Jubilee stamps. I agree with Rene about getting the Unitrade catalogue if you wanted to go serious into Canadian stamps.
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Post by vikingeck on Jul 12, 2022 20:56:53 GMT
The brown staining or foxing is a major problem so I would agree with soaking them off the sheet . There are one or two unused but in that condition I would suggest the toned gum is a defect rather than an asset . I would consider a short immersion in dilute Hydrogen peroxide followed by a tepid bath might work wonders.
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Post by paulh on Jul 13, 2022 11:01:57 GMT
Thank you for your invaluable help everybody. I can now date these issues.
I am not going big on Canada - the area I am trying to major on is Great Britain and this is the collection I am expanding.
There's too much of the rest of the world to collect everything but my father's extensive old collection is very general and I am simply trying to tidy up anything other than GB into two well presented volumes - British Colonials/Commonwealth and The Rest of the World. I have started on the former and have now got to Canada. The next job is a mass of stamps covering the intermediate monarchs between Victoria and Elizabeth II but these look a little easier to date. I'll give it a shot and get back to you.
Thank you all again - your efforts are greatly appreciated.
Paul
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Post by paul1 on Jul 13, 2022 11:30:45 GMT
quite agree, and in this hot weather a tepid bath late in the evening does wonders. As for those intermediate monarchs Paul, remember Ed. VII was bald - QE II isn't, but seriously, if you don't yet have any SG cats. for the C20 for the U.K., I have a used 2016 paperback SG Concise (Vict., Ed. VII, G. V, Ed. VIII, G. VI and QE II) that you can have gratis. Of course you may be knee deep in catalogues and need nothing. If you'd like it send me a pm - anyway best of luck. I also have acres of used QE II commems. if you want any do shout.
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Post by dgdecker on Jul 13, 2022 14:59:42 GMT
dgdecker - are you telling me you are going to scan Unitrade in the future - ? René No plans to do so other than as I cases like this. |
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Post by renden on Jul 13, 2022 16:06:06 GMT
dgdecker - are you telling me you are going to scan Unitrade in the future - ? René No plans to do so other than as I cases like this. Your SCANS have surely helped - Thanks for those who have benefited René |
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Post by paulh on Jul 29, 2022 15:36:49 GMT
Ok everyone, I have now got to the end of Canada and, with your help (and Stanley Gibbons, the internet etc) have managed to identify and date all of my old Dad's Canadian collection except for the oddment below. This is unperforated and I don't think it is even a postage stamp.  Any advice gratefully accepted. Paul |
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Post by vikingeck on Jul 29, 2022 15:55:10 GMT
As well as the familiar lick and stick stamps for letters, postal authorities sold printed stationery , postcards, envelopes, letter cards ,newapaoer wrappers and then Airmail letter forms all of which had a printed stamp on the address side.
This is an imprint cut from a postal card.
They were collected cut out in this way with spaces in albums back in the early years, but have now fallen out of favour .
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hdm1950
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Post by hdm1950 on Jul 29, 2022 16:03:35 GMT
Out of respect to Newfoundlanders everywhere paulh your recent postal stationary cutting is not Canadian  . Alex has properly identified what it is for you as a postal stationary item. According to my Unitrade catalogue it was cut out of Post Band PB1 printed by De La Rue & Company in 1889 when Newfoundland was a country. |
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Post by paulh on Jul 29, 2022 16:46:13 GMT
Thank you, Gents.
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Post by renden on Jul 29, 2022 17:03:19 GMT
Out of respect to Newfoundlanders everywhere paulh your recent postal stationary cutting is not Canadadian . Alex has properly identified what it is for you as a postal stationary item. According to my Unitrade catalogue it was cut our of Post Band PB1 printed by De La Rue & Company in 1889 when Newfoundland was a country. Sorry to bother you, Hugh - I have Unitrade 2021 and collect Newfoundland but what is Post Band PB1 ?? did not see that stationary cutting also René |
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hdm1950
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Post by hdm1950 on Jul 29, 2022 17:10:25 GMT
Out of respect to Newfoundlanders everywhere paulh your recent postal stationary cutting is not Canadian . Alex has properly identified what it is for you as a postal stationary item. According to my Unitrade catalogue it was cut our of Post Band PB1 printed by De La Rue & Company in 1889 when Newfoundland was a country. Sorry to bother you, Hugh - I have Unitrade 2021 and collect Newfoundland but what is Post Band PB1 ?? did not see that stationary cutting also René Sometimes it pays to use an older catalogue. This image is from my 2000 Unitrade and is at the end of the Newfoundland listings.  |
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Post by renden on Jul 29, 2022 17:23:08 GMT
hdm1950Hugh - thanks for showing something that is absent in my Unitrade 2021 - Why would the Editor edit out this info ?? Post Band does not explain much to me (PB1) René
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Post by hdm1950 on Jul 29, 2022 20:30:43 GMT
hdm1950 Hugh - thanks for showing something that is absent in my Unitrade 2021 - Why would the Editor edit out this info ?? Post Band does not explain much to me (PB1) René René the post bands seem to be similar to newspaper wrappers shown in many countries for the same era. |
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Post by Ryan on Jul 29, 2022 21:25:28 GMT
Hugh - thanks for showing something that is absent in my Unitrade 2021 - Why would the Editor edit out this info ?? Fairly recently, the Unitrade catalogue removed all postal stationery listings. My 2018 Unitrade still has these listings but they were gone by 2020 - hopefully somebody who owns a 2019 Unitrade catalogue can chime in and help us to figure out exactly which year is the last one with postal stationery listings. In any case, I'll keep my 2018 copy around! My guess is that the 35 or so pages needed to be removed to avoid switching the coil binding holding the catalogue together - my 2020 is almost at the limit of how many pages will fit within the coil. Perhaps in the future more non-postage stamp listings will be removed, or maybe they'll shrink text printing size or stamp image size to cram more info on the page. Or maybe they'll need a new catalogue format, either with an even bigger coil binding (and the attendant increased cost) or perhaps split into two volumes. Ryan |
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Post by uppercanadian on Aug 7, 2022 18:48:58 GMT
Hugh - thanks for showing something that is absent in my Unitrade 2021 - Why would the Editor edit out this info ?? Fairly recently, the Unitrade catalogue removed all postal stationery listings. My 2018 Unitrade still has these listings but they were gone by 2020 - hopefully somebody who owns a 2019 Unitrade catalogue can chime in and help us to figure out exactly which year is the last one with postal stationery listings. In any case, I'll keep my 2018 copy around! My guess is that the 35 or so pages needed to be removed to avoid switching the coil binding holding the catalogue together - my 2020 is almost at the limit of how many pages will fit within the coil. Perhaps in the future more non-postage stamp listings will be removed, or maybe they'll shrink text printing size or stamp image size to cram more info on the page. Or maybe they'll need a new catalogue format, either with an even bigger coil binding (and the attendant increased cost) or perhaps split into two volumes. Ryan Hi, The reason why Unitrade dropped the postal stationery section is because a new version (8th Edition) of Webb's Postal Stationery Catalogue of Canada and Newfoundland was published in 2019. Granted, the Unitrade Catalogue was becoming pretty bulky, so seeing as the coverage was so much better in Webb's, Unitrade decided to drop it. I don't see it coming back, certainly not in the near future. I would certainly recommend Webb's. You can purchase it on Ebay, from your local dealer (if you are lucky enough to have one) or directly from Unitrade at www.unitradeassoc.com/Nowavailable.htm |
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Post by Ryan on Aug 7, 2022 22:04:12 GMT
I would certainly recommend Webb's. I do have a copy but it's getting pretty old - 7th edition, 2001! Almost as old as me (well, maybe not quite) ... Ryan |
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Post by dgdecker on Aug 7, 2022 22:16:45 GMT
I highly recommend the Latest Webb’s. A great ressource on most things postal stationary. A compliment to Unitrade I find.
David
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Post by renden on Aug 7, 2022 22:52:37 GMT
My guess is that the 35 or so pages needed to be removed to avoid switching the coil binding holding the catalogue together - my 2020 is almost at the limit of how many pages will fit within the coil. Perhaps in the future more non-postage stamp listings will be removed, or maybe they'll shrink text printing size or stamp image size to cram more info on the page. Or maybe they'll need a new catalogue format, either with an even bigger coil binding (and the attendant increased cost) or perhaps split into two volumes. Ryan Hi, The reason why Unitrade dropped the postal stationery section is because a new version (8th Edition) of Webb's Postal Stationery Catalogue of Canada and Newfoundland was published in 2019. Granted, the Unitrade Catalogue was becoming pretty bulky, so seeing as the coverage was so much better in Webb's, Unitrade decided to drop it. I don't see it coming back, certainly not in the near future. Next Unitrade Spec Canada Cat will have 800 pages - My pre- order is in and have had good success with it so I have to see the advantage  René |
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Post by uppercanadian on Aug 7, 2022 23:30:51 GMT
Next Unitrade Spec Canada Cat will have 1,000 pages - My order is in and it does not cost as much and have had good success with it so I have to see the advantage ($$$$) René Are you sure Rene? The 2022 version has 784 pages. I cannot see them adding almost 250 pages in one year. It used to come out in October, but with shipping delays, and they still exist but not quite as bad as they were from China, I still figure November for the 2023 Version. |
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Post by uppercanadian on Aug 7, 2022 23:38:05 GMT
I highly recommend the Latest Webb’s. A great ressource on most things postal stationary. A compliment to Unitrade I find. David I would agree with you David. Editor Robin Harris is amazing, particularly with the Elizabethan material. I am a member of the Elizabethan II Study Group and he pretty much carries the whole thing on his shoulders. Then there are areas where Unitrade is constrained by Scott. The way the Small Queen's are listed is evidence of this. But with the stationery, there was never much depth to it. Mr. Walton and Mr. Covert have brought the stationery up to the same specialization level of Unitrade. The 8th edition with 480 some odd pages is well worth the price and is far better than anything Unitrade was able to put together. As you say, the perfect "compliment". |
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Post by uppercanadian on Aug 7, 2022 23:52:33 GMT
Out of respect to Newfoundlanders everywhere paulh your recent postal stationary cutting is not Canadian . Alex has properly identified what it is for you as a postal stationary item. According to my Unitrade catalogue it was cut out of Post Band PB1 printed by De La Rue & Company in 1889 when Newfoundland was a country. As much as I love Newfoundlanders, and my own heritage goes back there to the 1740's, it was never really a country. Granted, it had independence as a Dominion from 1907 to 1933, but weighed down by its debts from fighting the First World War and then the depression, it went bankrupt and basically reverted back to Crown Colony status. Actually called the Newfoundland Commission of Government which was run by civil servants who were directly subordinate to the British Government in London. Still as a Dominion, it did have "Responsible Government" but, as it was not a signatory to the 1931 Statute of Westminster, it can certainly be considered a political entity but not a country or nation under the usual definitions. Sorry, I am not trying to be difficult!! We should maybe try the same thing now to get the Brits to pay off our Trudeau debt |
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hdm1950
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Post by hdm1950 on Aug 8, 2022 0:52:13 GMT
Brad uppercanadian Newfoundland will always be a country pre 1949 in my eyes . Having made 30+ trips there in the 1970-80's I got to really appreciate their unique culture. |
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Post by uppercanadian on Aug 8, 2022 1:44:48 GMT
Brad uppercanadian Newfoundland will always be a country pre 1949 in my eyes . Having made 30+ trips there in the 1970-80's I got to really appreciate their unique culture. Hey HDM, I am cool with that!! My ancestors are from the Twillingate area - specifically Herring Neck, Clarkes Cove, and Merritt's Harbour. Newfoundland is profoundly beautiful and I would agree, very unique. I also love Nova Scotia but I have some half-baked plan to retire in Saint John, New Brunswick. |
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Post by renden on Aug 8, 2022 12:59:48 GMT
Next Unitrade Spec Canada Cat will have 1,000 pages - My order is in and it does not cost as much and have had good success with it so I have to see the advantage ($$$$) René Are you sure Rene? The 2022 version has 784 pages. I cannot see them adding almost 250 pages in one year. It used to come out in October, but with shipping delays, and they still exist but not quite as bad as they were from China, I still figure November for the 2023 Version. # of pages corrected as advertised in my pre-order (800) - my mistake ! René |
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. Alex has properly identified what it is for you as a postal stationary item. According to my Unitrade catalogue it was cut out of Post Band PB1 printed by De La Rue & Company in 1889 when Newfoundland was a country. 
René