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Post by gotstamps85 on Sept 11, 2022 19:26:24 GMT
So, have this nice 3d stamp in my Victoria collection, and based off of the watermark, it's either number 299 or 336. Don't think it's a 361. Based off of the postmark, I'm leaning towards the 336 Ochre. What's interesting to note is that the watermark is inverted and there doesn't appear to be a listing for an inverted variety in the cat. It only lists a sideways variety. Is this because its quite common with this stamp, or is it a nice little rarity?  |
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Sept 11, 2022 19:36:43 GMT
Thanks for your post, Gavin ( gotstamps85). From the front, it looks like a pretty nice stamp! If the key element to its identification is the watermark, then it would really help if you could show us an image of the back so that hopefully we can see what is going on there. Thanks! |
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Post by gotstamps85 on Sept 11, 2022 20:04:21 GMT
OK, I've had a crack at it. Not the easiest WM to snap.   |
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Post by hdm1950 on Sept 11, 2022 20:13:53 GMT
I do not use Stanley Gibbons but on searching I see that SG366 is a rose 9 pence. SG361 is a yellow bister and that appears to be the colour of your stamp. I cannot help on the watermark varieties.
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gotstamps85
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Post by gotstamps85 on Sept 11, 2022 20:20:24 GMT
Good spot, that should be 336.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Sept 11, 2022 20:34:40 GMT
Well, I don't have an SG Catalogue handy at the moment, but it definitely looks like the V and Crown watermark, and it certainly appears to be inverted.
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Post by Londonbus1 on Sept 11, 2022 20:58:02 GMT
The colour on my screen tells me Ochre but pale so I am going for SG#299a. The watermark looks upright and the large top of the thin leg of the 'V' tells me watermark 33. The cancel blanks out parts of the crown so I am going for SG#299a.
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Post by REL1948 on Sept 11, 2022 21:08:34 GMT
Londonbus1,
Not so sure about it being 299a, if it is , it should have watermark 19 with the the short straight lines over the outer 2 crown points.
Rob
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Post by gotstamps85 on Sept 11, 2022 21:13:15 GMT
Unless I'm missing it in the cat, 299 onwards uses WM 33. It's definitely Not WM 19. And now that Londonbus1 mentioned it, it does look like WM 33 rather than 82. |
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Post by Londonbus1 on Sept 11, 2022 21:21:21 GMT
Londonbus1,
Not so sure about it being 299a, if it is , it should have watermark 19 with the the short straight lines over the outer 2 crown points.
Rob Not according to my catalogue. 299a, Wmk 33 |
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Post by REL1948 on Sept 11, 2022 21:29:49 GMT
Londonbus1,
My SG Catalogue, 2019, Commonwealth and British Empire Stamps, 1840-1970 shows Watermark 19 for the set of stamps SG293-304., which includes SG299a.
Rob
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Post by REL1948 on Sept 11, 2022 21:31:49 GMT
Londonbus1,
My mistake, I didn't see the break after #295. Yes, you have been right all along. My apologies.
Rob
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Post by gotstamps85 on Sept 11, 2022 21:34:33 GMT
OK, I've just realised how the catalogue listing works. 😏 It should be a 299b then?
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Post by vikingeck on Sept 11, 2022 21:40:58 GMT
I'm With Michael Londonbus1 I think it is wmk 33 (slightly fatter) rather than wmk82, certainly not wmk 19 .so I suggest 299a is correct. As to Upright or inverted I think the watermark image as shown has been flipped relative to the front image, so though as shown it looks upright, yes, gotstamps85 is correct in identifying it as an inverted watermark. However, this and other watermark curiosities in the Australian colonies are not listed in the SG catalogue for the simple reason they happen all the time. There is a note to this effect at the beginning of Australia in the catalogue before New South wales  |
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Post by gotstamps85 on Sept 11, 2022 21:53:36 GMT
I'm With Michael Londonbus1 I think it is wmk 33 (slightly fatter) rather than wmk82, certainly not wmk 19 .so I suggest 299a is correct. As to Upright or inverted I think the watermark image as shown has been flipped relative to the front image, so though as shown it looks upright, yes, gotstamps85 is correct in identifying it as an inverted watermark. However, this and other watermark curiosities in the Australian colonies are not listed in the SG catalogue for the simple reason they happen all the time. There is a note to this effect at the beginning of Australia in the catalogue before New South wales ahha. There we go then. 👍 So, it's not listed because it happened fairly regularly lol. |
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Post by zipper on Sept 11, 2022 21:59:03 GMT
This is why I don't trust my own judgement on identifying stamps, so I simply use the numbers that the sellers listed.
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Post by daniel on Sept 12, 2022 2:30:44 GMT
Just to throw the cat amongst the pigeons, would not the late use, 1900, more readily suggest 336a?
(Okay, it's 3.30 in the morning and I'm in a mischievous mood 😁 )
Daniel
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Post by gotstamps85 on Sept 12, 2022 3:38:36 GMT
Just to throw the cat amongst the pigeons, would not the late use, 1900, more readily suggest 336a? (Okay, it's 3.30 in the morning and I'm in a mischievous mood 😁 ) Daniel Well that's what I thought to begin with. Might have to send it to SG themselves and ask them to determine its catalogue number 😂 |
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Post by Londonbus1 on Sept 12, 2022 5:56:41 GMT
All good fun !!!  I seem to have erred in my positioning of the cancel and I can see now (it's morning and I am more awake than last night !) it's an inverted watermark. But I'll stick to my Cat.No as I have checked again and the colour is a good match. (computer screens can often lie though.......)  |
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