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What I collect: Worldwide Space, U58, U59 Entires, Machine Cancel Covers, German Private Postage of the late 1890's, Misc.
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Post by coastalcollector on Apr 2, 2017 23:12:19 GMT
It's very difficult to distinguish whether the paper is manila. My opinion is that both of these are U294 that are toned. There are many tones of "white" primarily from age but also slight variations in paper rolls. The easiest way to identify the difference would be unused copies of the full envelope (also known as an entire).
One of the main differences between the two full envelopes is the knife. The knife is the die used to cut the envelope to size. U300 has the same shape knife as U294 but it is a rougher cut which can be seen on the edge of the top flap where the adhesive is placed and the envelope is then sealed.
From what I can see without seeing them in my hand I would consider both as U294's that have toning and keep looking for a distinct color difference (also check the back of the cut square for color difference)
Also, the difference between the U and W prefix in the catalog listings is U is for envelopes and W is for wrapper. Wrappers were used primarily to send periodicals such as newspapers instead of putting them in envelopes or putting labels directly on them. They were used in the US from 1861 to about 1934.
I hope this helps you. Collecting cut squares is very interesting and there are treasures to be found at bargain prices! keep Hunting!
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What I collect: Worldwide Space, U58, U59 Entires, Machine Cancel Covers, German Private Postage of the late 1890's, Misc.
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Post by coastalcollector on Apr 2, 2017 3:24:53 GMT
For the two that you wrote in your scan "not a clue", my best guess without having them in hand looks to me like;
the one with the oval cancel is a U294 and a late printing as the die looks worn. Notice the faint lines on the outer oval ring and the thinness of the flowers compared to your other 1c Franklins and;
The second one is most likely a U300 or if the paper is thinner than it probably a W301.
Sometimes, the hard part of identifying the color of cut squares/ postal stationery is that there are different shades of the same cataloged color
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coastalcollector
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What I collect: Worldwide Space, U58, U59 Entires, Machine Cancel Covers, German Private Postage of the late 1890's, Misc.
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Post by coastalcollector on Apr 2, 2017 2:24:29 GMT
Edith,
Can you separately scan the 1c Franklins you are unsure about? I may be able to help you. I'm not sure what you want to accomplish by soaking/washing these?
Mike (new member)
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coastalcollector
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What I collect: Worldwide Space, U58, U59 Entires, Machine Cancel Covers, German Private Postage of the late 1890's, Misc.
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Post by coastalcollector on Apr 1, 2017 20:53:47 GMT
Hi Jim, Thanks for the welcome..Go Ducks! Not much philatelic activity on the coast. I'd like to talk to you about that sometime. I live a little north of Waldport, closer to Seal Rock (actually Driftwood Beach).
I'm sure there are other collectors in the area and would like to get something organized like a branch of GESS or something like that. A 2-hour drive to Eugene at night is a bit difficult for me but I miss the social interaction, learning, sharing of a stamp club. I've lived in big urban areas my whole life and am just getting use to the "isolation" of living on the coast.
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coastalcollector
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What I collect: Worldwide Space, U58, U59 Entires, Machine Cancel Covers, German Private Postage of the late 1890's, Misc.
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Post by coastalcollector on Apr 1, 2017 18:00:47 GMT
Another one of my U58 Postal Stationery Envelopes. No April Fools on this one! 1868 from a Wholesale Grocer in Baltimore to a sugar distributor in Philadelphia. PM Baltimore April 1 and canceled with a segmented cork killer It also Includes a received back stamp (probably made from wood).
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coastalcollector
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What I collect: Worldwide Space, U58, U59 Entires, Machine Cancel Covers, German Private Postage of the late 1890's, Misc.
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Post by coastalcollector on Apr 1, 2017 13:24:29 GMT
Thanks all, I would be happy to answer any questions on US postal stationery and any other subject that I may have knowledge about. As I mentioned in my intro I've collected lots of things over many years.
Although I don't actively collect these, I also have a large accumulation of German private postage stamps from the 1880's-1890's including authentic issues and forgeries. These including full sheets, part sheets and singles.
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coastalcollector
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What I collect: Worldwide Space, U58, U59 Entires, Machine Cancel Covers, German Private Postage of the late 1890's, Misc.
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Post by coastalcollector on Apr 1, 2017 0:30:28 GMT
I found this at a local bookstore last year. It is a very good interesting and a reference for both beginners and advanced collectors with basic knowledge of paper, watermarks, stamp design, printing types, inks and color and gum. This is a 1990 edition and although the dust cover is a bit rough, the inside is very clean.
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coastalcollector
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What I collect: Worldwide Space, U58, U59 Entires, Machine Cancel Covers, German Private Postage of the late 1890's, Misc.
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Post by coastalcollector on Mar 31, 2017 22:16:16 GMT
I've been working on my fancy cancel cover collection on homemade pages. This is Scott #U58 printed by Nesbitt, the 3c pink embossed postal stationery envelope. Thanks for looking.
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coastalcollector
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What I collect: Worldwide Space, U58, U59 Entires, Machine Cancel Covers, German Private Postage of the late 1890's, Misc.
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Post by coastalcollector on Mar 30, 2017 16:04:59 GMT
I purchased six panes of the 2011 Vanishing Species Semi-Postal panes late last year and set them aside. I bought six of them because they looked blurred to me and was pretty sure it was some kind of error. Well I finally found out today through email correspondence that this misprint is known as a Freak (not an error that would be Scott listed) It is a color Misregistration. Anyway here is a picture of one of the stamps in the pane. Mike (coastalcollector)
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coastalcollector
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What I collect: Worldwide Space, U58, U59 Entires, Machine Cancel Covers, German Private Postage of the late 1890's, Misc.
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Post by coastalcollector on Mar 30, 2017 15:10:20 GMT
Hi Lila, I'm new to the forum TODAY but have been collecting for many years (see my new member introduction). I have thousands of full postal stationery entires and the way I identify them is with the United Postal Stationery Society Catalogs (UPSS). They provide a wealth of information on die types, varieties, watermarks, envelope types, paper types..etc.
It would be an invaluable resource for you as you get into this part of the hobby. You can find some of this info on web searches. Prior to the UPSS issuing their catalogs, others such as Thorpe cataloged these as well and much of this is in the public domain on the web.
I'll be glad to help contribute to your questions/comments as they come up.
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coastalcollector
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What I collect: Worldwide Space, U58, U59 Entires, Machine Cancel Covers, German Private Postage of the late 1890's, Misc.
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Post by coastalcollector on Mar 30, 2017 14:11:24 GMT
Hello, my name is Mike and I've been a collector for over 50 years. My user name is coastalcollector and I'm a member of the APS, US Philatelic Classic Society and just joined the Machine Cancel Society
My collecting specialty is US postal stationery, Scott #U58 and U59 (1864-1870 use full entires with fancy cancels, service markings, illustrated advertising and western Mississippi River packet boat markings).
I also have just started collecting US Machine Cancel covers from 1880-1920.
Over the years, I've had other specialty stamp collections that I've then sold. Currently I have several large albums and accumulations of stamps that I sell once in a while but no longer purchase.
I do purchase new US stamps (two panes/booklets at a time) use one for postage and slip the other into my sheet album and enjoy flipping through this once in a while but I don't really study them.
I'm a retired Civil Engineer. My career was to consult, design and supervise the construction of major airport facilities (runways, taxiways, etc.) all over the US and the world for 35 years. I've now retired to the coast of beautiful central Oregon.
I look forward to participating in this forum.
Thanks for reading this
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