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Post by david on Jan 7, 2023 10:26:54 GMT
Hello
since a long time i am following the youtube channel "exploring stamps" from Graham Beck. He does a lot of interesting videos about stamps, stamp history and other items.
There was one video i really found amazing
Here they soak off penny blacks and even clean them with hydrogen peroxide.
Just wondering if anyone in here has done this before, using hydrogen peroxide to clean a stamp? Soaking is something i have done many many times before.
If i am not allowed to share a youtube link in here just let me know and i will remove it. This is not to make free advertisement for his youtube channel but the video explains it so much better then i could do it in writing.
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vikingeck
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Post by vikingeck on Jan 7, 2023 11:29:46 GMT
Using H2O2 has been used by several members here and previously discussed. In particular it’s use has been discussed in connection with GB penny red and 2d blue , and with several Cape of Good Hope triangles. The printings of these and the penny black as in Bill Barrell’s video are pretty robust and sulphurisation can be reversed and cleaned, with greatly improved appearance.
I am surprised Bill is using 12% strength, pharmacies will sell 6% and I use it carefully and usually diluted half and half,(3%) particularly in light of the skin reaction Bill showed in the Video .
if you use our search tool for “peroxide “ there are 6 pages of posts relating to the use. Starting way back in 2015 on a Canadian Beaver stamp
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Post by david on Jan 7, 2023 12:59:51 GMT
Thank you for the reply and i must confess that i forgot to do a search for earlier threads or posts.
I agree that 12% seems pretty strong to use as you even dilute 6% H2O2 for cleaning your stamps.
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banknoteguy
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Post by banknoteguy on Jan 7, 2023 13:00:01 GMT
I have used H2O2 many many times to reverse sulpherization. The standard concentration, I see in Drugstores (US) is 3%. Not sure I would use any higher concentration.
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ameis33
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Post by ameis33 on Jan 8, 2023 14:59:36 GMT
Hydrogen peroxide (in Italy we call it something like "oxigenated water") is a product that can have many uses at home, not just for washing stamps. I've used it for mould-fighting, for bleaching wood, and for cleaning stamps. But i've always used it in higher concentration than what you say. In Italy the concentration is commonly indicated in volumes of oxygen released. Concentrated hydrogen peroxide is found at 130 volumes, which correspond to a concentration of 35%. Now these products are no longer sold to private persons, but only to firms operating in the chemical sector. I was able to get a few liters by borrowing it from friends who used it for work, but now i've run out of supplies and it's several years i don't use it. But in other countries that's not the case. For example, in Spain i saw shops selling "household" chemicals, i.e. intended to be used at home, where you can easily find H2O2 together with a lot of other products... Hydrogen peroxide is an unstable product, so it naturally tends to decompose releasing oxygen. So it is stabilized with the addition of sulfuric acid. So to be used, a few drops of an alkaline substance (i use ammonia) must first be added to neutralize the acid. It must be handled with care, using at least nitrile gloves (resistant to chemical agents) and protecting your eyes, but once you learn it you handle it without problems. To fight mold i use it concentrated. I apply it on the wall with a brush (obviously the brush must also be appropriate, otherwise all the bristles will get lost in a short time), leave it for an hour, and then nothing more, because by releasing oxygen it turns into water. For stamps i use a lower concentration, 40 volume (12%). More simply i put one part of hydrogen peroxide and two parts of normal water. Then i put the stamp to clean and after i rinse it in normal water. The results are usually good. I don't have stamps to show because i don't have the "before" as a term of comparison. However, these are procedures that i don't use always, but only when the stamp requires it, which happened to me 5-6 times... It has a lower whitening effect than sodium hypochlorite, but i find it less "dangerous" because, as i said, once the oxygen is released, it becomes water and does not leave the paper acid like hypochlorite does.
Easier to do than to explain. I suggest everyone to try it, but ok, safety first. Nitrile gloves and glasses.
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ameis33
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Post by ameis33 on Jan 9, 2023 21:24:31 GMT
The title of this thread is "Soaking and cleaning stamps", but it should be more "Using hydrogen peroxide for..." It is a lot of time i don't write on the forum. The main reason is that stamps are an hobby, and they cannot take the first place in what i do... But i still am a stamp collector ("Are you what?" for my mother...) and so, when i have some time, i came back to my collection, "Soaking and cleaning" the heap i still have... During Christmass i spent one hour circa per day. I was focusing on modern stamps, 2000's on... But i was disappointed the same like all the time i do this job... 1. I don't ask if you have a special method for soaking stamps... How many do you put in the water at a time? I don't count them, i do it by eyes... Modern stamps should use fluorescent inks or papers. Do you select them? Do you scan with UV lamp before? Could it be that putting together fluo an non fluo stamps during soaking, the first become the second and viceversa? 2. After drying, the selection between 1st and 2nd choice... Damaged stamps could be easily separated, but there are stamps with minor faults, like perforation faults and scrapped paper on the back. I was following another discussion about a complain for those "minor faults", but by my side, if i see that a stamp is not perfect, i prefer to put it aside... But what to do with them? Well, i don't feel to throw them in the fire place, also because i don't have it... But they start to be a lot... 3. After cleaning, sorting. At the beginning there was an heap... In the end, just very few, with many many repetition, not a complete set... Ok, i try to exchange to get the missing ones... Why everybody have exactly the same stamps i have? Why to get the missing ones i have to buy them, Why when i buy them i have to buy the whole set because noone sell just the stamps i miss?
I like the german flowers, but in Poland they did something like... These should be the issue up to 2020, the year of my catalog... Just the XIXth issue is missing... But this time i'm not disappointed...
BTW! What do you think? Can we keep it here or it's better to split the thread?
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Post by eggdog on Jan 9, 2023 22:13:35 GMT
I don't ask if you have a special method for soaking stamps... How many do you put in the water at a time? About fifty at once. The water is usually getting muddy after fifty. And I have arthritis in my right hand and have to rest once in a while anyway, so I take a break then. Modern stamps should use fluorescent inks or papers. Do you select them? Do you scan with UV lamp before? I personally don't pay much attention to fluorescence. if i see that a stamp is not perfect, i prefer to put it aside... But what to do with them? I save them for my wife in case she ever wants to make a collage. I'm like you, I don't like to throw them away if they look good and have flaws that would only bother stamp collectors. I used to save stamps with footprints on them or ones that had been folded up like a paper airplane because I'm an old softie, but I'm getting cold-hearted and ruthless as time goes on. Why everybody have exactly the same stamps i have? I think it's a law made by one of the ill-tempered Norse gods. I think those guys should be evicted from wherever they are and we can all move on . I like the german flowers, but in Poland they did something like... These should be the issue up to 2020, the year of my catalog... Just the XIXth issue is missing. Those are nice stamps; I have some of them and I get Polish mixtures now and then to catch up with newer issues. Many of them have excellent designs. In recent years, they are getting kind of repetitive, though. What happened to XIV - XVIII? BTW! What do you think? Can we keep it here or it's better to split the thread? I'd keep it here if it were up to me. But that's just me.
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Post by swvl on Jan 9, 2023 22:25:33 GMT
That's a beautiful set of Polish flowers, ameis33!
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ameis33
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Post by ameis33 on Jan 9, 2023 22:27:59 GMT
Hello eggdogI made a mistake... XIX->XIV...
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Post by tobben63 on Dec 7, 2023 21:04:29 GMT
I did a non Scientific test with Hydrogen Peroxide on some stamps sorted out for testing like this. THey where in the bathe for severel hours! 12% solution. Before After The Nippon stamp became close to very good. The two others became better, but not good enough. Now I don't know know what the coloring on the stamp was, it could be anything. But these stamps had no problem regarding original color to stay in hydrogen peroxide for 3 hours. I was using this stuff
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