JeffS
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What I collect: Oranges Philately, US Slogan Cancels, Cape of Good Hope Triangulars, and Texas poster stamps and cinderellas
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Post by JeffS on Jan 13, 2023 0:47:19 GMT
I am at a crossroads as to what constitutes a cinderella, and more specifically a poster stamp. Would those who are experienced in this collecting area share known and accepted definitions and examples of what constitutes a poster stamp. I read a definition some time ago which stated that it resembles a postage stamp. To me this leaves out adhesive die-cut stickers. The reason I ask is in that Texas collection I bought there are several adhesive items which other than having adhesive on the back are simply stickers. Yes, we are free to collect what we want and define as we see fit, but to me several of these are simply decorations of misc shapes and sizes, etc. At this moment I am limiting my Texas collection to items that are printed in multiples like postage stamps, either sheet or booklet form, perforated or imperforate, but not die cut (like the circular Navasota blue bonnet I recently posted) serve no franking purpose such as strike mail postage, and promote a municipality, business, or industry, and are intended for putting on an envelope. Whether I include charity or fundraising items (Christmas, TB, etc) is questionable. I can use some suggestions here.  thanks! |
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Beryllium Guy
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What I collect: Worldwide Stamps 1840-1930
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jan 13, 2023 1:09:30 GMT
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clivel
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What I collect: Basutoland, Bechuanaland, Rhodesias, South Africa, Swaziland, Israel to 1980, Ireland predecimal, Palestine Mandate
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Post by clivel on Jan 13, 2023 1:33:12 GMT
I have compiled a glossary for my own use, these are the definitions I use for poster stamps and cinderellas:
Cinderellas are collectable stamp-like labels that are not valid for postage. Examples include charity seals, exhibition labels, poster stamps, etc.
Poster stamps are decorative stamp-like labels or cinderellas that are not valid for postage. They are intended to advertise a product or event and often, as the name suggests, resemble miniature versions of advertising posters.
It would seem that many philatelic terms have evolved differently across the collecting world, and in many cases there are no precise definitions.
Clive
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Londonbus1
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What I collect: Wonderland; 1912 Jubilee International Stamp Exhibition, London ('Ideal' Stamp, ephemera); French Cinderellas with an emphasis on Poster Stamps; Israel and Palestine Cinderellas ; Jewish National Fund Stamps, Labels and Tags; London 2010, A Festival of Stamps (anything); South Africa 1937 Coronation issue of KGVI, singles or bi-lingual pairs.
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Post by Londonbus1 on Jan 13, 2023 11:53:37 GMT
This has long been the introduction to the CSC and the guidelines I have used since I started collecting Cinderellas way back when ! Anything goes !!  JeffS made some interesting points. But surely there are thousands of postage stamps that resemble 'stickers' (a word I hate seeing in connection with our hobby). Postage stamps come in many shapes and sizes.....and with die-cuts. Are they too 'stickers'. Surely not. Jeff has refined his Cinderella collection to include those that 'are intended for putting on an envelope'. Christmas Seals were intended for such a purpose more so than Poster Stamps which, in the main, were intended first and foremost for collecting (pasting) into printed albums (which explains why most do not have gum). Regarding Locals and Strike Mail items, these are rarely listed in Postage Stamp catalogues and most collectors of such peripheral items that I know will include them in their Cinderella collections. JeffS ........Look upon the term 'Cinderellas' as an umbrella and Poster Stamps as one of the spikes holding it up ! And all the other spikes will be the items previously quoted and others not yet mentioned (except in our wonderful Cinderella section of the forum !  ). Stickers. A word I would love to delete every time it comes up in connection with our hobby. A sticker is something you buy from a newsagent or toy shop for your kids to play with or for adults to have fun with at Christmas or Birthdays. I have stickers in my drawer for such a purpose but they have nothing to do with the hobby of Stamp (or Cinderella) collecting. I personally do not like many modern-day Stamp issues but I would never call them stickers like I see every day on forums and social media. Self-adhesives/die-cuts/kiss die-cuts etc are terms for such items but definitely NOT stickers. I have just got home from my UK trip and whilst there I had an interesting argument with a fellow collector about Hotel labels and Luggage labels. Like the collector of Matchbox/Matchbook labels (Phillumenist), he argued there should be a term for someone who collects Luggage labels. I believe they should be collected as Cinderella items given that they are basically an advertising label for the Hotel, airline, shipping Company etc. All good fun. Collect what gives you pleasure and include what you feel fits your collection. But please refrain from using the word 'stickers' !!  Londonbus1 |
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FDI
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What I collect: Modern Canada (misperf, varieties, tagging errors), Canadian Cinderellas, EXUP & CAPEX & Dead Countries
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Post by FDI on Jan 13, 2023 15:29:11 GMT
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Post by stamphinger on Jan 13, 2023 17:00:06 GMT
For me it is too difficult to place parameters around poster stamps, seals, cinderellas and even stickers. I collect what I find attractive, but do try to keep specific types together once I start collecting them. At the same time I like Jeff's, clivel's, Londonbus,' and FDI's definitions. No matter how precisely a definition is worded, it seems there are always items that fall outside one's specifications. Best to just give those away or, as most of us do, start a new side collection.
Don StampHinger
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JeffS
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What I collect: Oranges Philately, US Slogan Cancels, Cape of Good Hope Triangulars, and Texas poster stamps and cinderellas
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Post by JeffS on Jan 13, 2023 18:26:31 GMT
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Londonbus1
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What I collect: Wonderland; 1912 Jubilee International Stamp Exhibition, London ('Ideal' Stamp, ephemera); French Cinderellas with an emphasis on Poster Stamps; Israel and Palestine Cinderellas ; Jewish National Fund Stamps, Labels and Tags; London 2010, A Festival of Stamps (anything); South Africa 1937 Coronation issue of KGVI, singles or bi-lingual pairs.
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Post by Londonbus1 on Jan 13, 2023 19:58:02 GMT
Wikipedia's description was good until I came across the word 'sticker' !  |
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Post by daniel on Jan 14, 2023 3:02:48 GMT
For me the most difficult definition is the one for poster stamps but definitely a subset of cinderellas. Stating that they are cinderellas that depict posters is fine but this is extended to mean advertising cinderellas, again fine if you take them to be stamp sized posters. Indeed, in Germany they are described as reklamemarken, advertising stamps which is probably a better definition.
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cursus
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What I collect: Catalan Cinderellas. Used Switzerland, UK, Scandinavia, Germany & Austria. Postal History of Barcelona & Estonia. Catalonia pictorial postmarks.
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Post by cursus on Jan 14, 2023 16:04:14 GMT
Having been a "cinderella / poster stamps" collector, for quite a number of years, I've a very restricted view on what this word applies to. So, I don't agree with Michael's (Londonbus) view. Too wide for me. I'm more on Jeff's line:
"printed in multiples like postage stamps,
either sheet or booklet form,
perforated or imperforate, but not die cut (like the circular Navasota blue bonnet I recently posted)
serve no franking purpose such as strike mail postage,
and promote a municipality, business, event or industry,
and are intended for putting on an envelope".
I should include charity or fundraising items (Christmas, TB, etc) and can also accept some die cut items. I do considere revenue stamps or "fiscals" as something different from cinderellas. The same, applies to local stamps.
Anything printed on plastic and/or not intended to be put on an enveloppe is just a "sticker" and I don't collect them.
Well, this is just my personal view. Nothing more.
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Post by stamphinger on Jan 15, 2023 22:00:00 GMT
Okay, I probably should just pass the opportunity to post this recent acquisition, but I like to stire the pot once in awhile.
Many collectors would call the non-postage item on this NOW thematic cover a "sticker," and, indeed, it looks like one to me (die cut, no perfs, probably self adhesive, just peal it off its backing paper and stick it on an envelope). Yet, I am going to add it to my Cinderellas on Cover collection because 1. It is appropriate to the cover's theme, 2. it is tied to the cover, and 3. I think its statement is clever. I will probably refer to it in the cover's write-up as a label to soften its lineage for the purists.
Bottom line, I rarely see a non-postal item used like a stamp and tied to cover by a cancel that I don't want to add to my collection. I remember a couple, but I didn't buy those.  Don StampHinger  |
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Londonbus1
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What I collect: Wonderland; 1912 Jubilee International Stamp Exhibition, London ('Ideal' Stamp, ephemera); French Cinderellas with an emphasis on Poster Stamps; Israel and Palestine Cinderellas ; Jewish National Fund Stamps, Labels and Tags; London 2010, A Festival of Stamps (anything); South Africa 1937 Coronation issue of KGVI, singles or bi-lingual pairs.
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Post by Londonbus1 on Jan 15, 2023 22:21:26 GMT
stamphinger.........I would put that Self-adhesive label in my collection too. It looks very much like a political campaign label although I have not found it yet in my catalogue. Definitely not an item found in kids scrapbooks !  (to get around using THAT word !) Londonbus1
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swvl
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What I collect: FDCs, plus some US modern and new issues. Topical interests include music, art, literature, baseball, space...
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Post by swvl on Jan 16, 2023 2:00:59 GMT
That’s a great, thematically fascinating cover, stamphinger, whatever you call the label! |
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