sudbury12000
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What I collect: Canada, Great Britain, Germany, World Pre 1925
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Post by sudbury12000 on Feb 11, 2023 14:06:05 GMT
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Post by daniel on Feb 11, 2023 16:34:39 GMT
That's a really nice cover sudbury12000 . Perhaps surprisingly, the 5/Cents mark is British and it is termed an accountancy mark, it is not a postage due mark. Your cover is dated November 3rd 1849 by which time there existed the Anglo-American Postal Treaty of 1848. This was a bi-lateral revenue sharing agreement. Dollars and cents was deemed to be the currency of this particular Postal Treaty. The treaty allowed for the exchange of letters between, in this case, Liverpool and Boston. The red 5/Cents mark indicates that the letter was sent by a British packet ship and this sum was applied to the credit of the US account for its 5 cents of internal postage. The red 'paid' mark would have been applied in Boston. The account was settled each month by payment in gold to whichever country was in credit that month. Daniel
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REL1948
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What I collect: 1840-Pre-Decimal, GB and Colonies, 1840 1 penny reds, Postal Histories
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Post by REL1948 on Feb 11, 2023 16:44:09 GMT
Wow! daniel, AWESOME forensics on this lovely cover!!! Rob
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Post by forth on Feb 12, 2023 13:27:53 GMT
One of the reasons I like this forum. Some very knowledgeable collectors here.
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vikingeck
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What I collect: Samoa, Tobacco theme, Mail in Wartime, anything odd and unusual!
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Post by vikingeck on Feb 12, 2023 21:56:18 GMT
Hi sudbury12000 , I wonder about the “ per America “ The archaic “ per” = by means of And in my experience usually used to specify the preferred ship. There was an Ss America , a passenger ship 1863 -1894 of the North German Lloyd . (NorddeutscheLloyd) sailing to New York and Baltimore in this case out of Liverpool revised . Can’t be that ship after all if the cover is dated 1849.! Must be an earlier ship of the same name. So more research needed well I was too hasty in my previous post, not having got the dates right, the name SS America has been used for many ships the most likely was actually a Royal Mail packet as suggested by daniel . There was a paddle steamship of that name out of Boston in the late 1840-1850s period . I found a picture but don’t know how to link it here.
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sudbury12000
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What I collect: Canada, Great Britain, Germany, World Pre 1925
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Post by sudbury12000 on Feb 12, 2023 22:17:44 GMT
Thank you all for all the very interesting information regarding this cover. vikingeck I agree, per usually means by means of, that did interest me. daniel thank you for the information, very cool. forth totally agree, and they do not make you feel like a fool when explaining things either! REL1948 agree, quite the interesting read
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Post by uppercanadian on Feb 12, 2023 22:45:51 GMT
There was a paddle steamer named America, initially operated by Cunard. She was launched in 1847 and won the Blue Riband in 1848. She sailed between Liverpool and Halifax. Assuming this is the vessel, there were regular ship connections between Halifax and Boston, those two cities always having a special relationship. Although, it is quite possible that it would call Halifax and then Boston after. Depending upon the passenger demand. In 1863 she was chartered to Allan Line (a Canadian company). The in 1866 sold and renamed Coalgacondor, converted to sailing ship due to her boilers breaking down. She was broken up in 1875. She was the "Class" vessel for the "America Class" paddle steamers that replaced the Britannia Class. Other vessels in the "America Class" was the Niagara, Europa, and Canada. A secondary large class developed from this vessel was the "Asia Class" which consisted of the Asia and the Africa. Halifax is one of the deepest and largest ports in North America. One reason why most WWI and WWII Convoys started from Halifax -specifically the Bedford Basin, where hundreds of ships could be staged safely. It is rare, but occasionally during a very cold winter, the harbour can freeze. This rare event happened in 1859. On February 14th, Cunard's America made headlines when she broke through the ice and opened the port up. This occasion was marked by the below picture of the America which hangs in the Nova Scotia Museum in Halifax. 
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Post by daniel on Feb 13, 2023 4:42:56 GMT
I should have added that the transatlantic rate, at that time, was 1 shilling the equivalent of 24 cents (hence the 1 shilling embossed stamp). This was broken down as 3 cents for British Inland postage, 5 cents for American inland postage and 16 cents for Ocean postage. If the letter had been sent on an American packet ship the red mark would have been 21/cents owed in the US account. It was also possible to send such letters unpaid, to be paid by the recipient as postage due, 24 cents! Money owed to the British Post Office would have a black mark instead of red for letters sent to America. I have found this (note, it is 50 pages) Siegel Auction lot pdf online here showing multiple examples. It also explains that the oval mark is for the Liverpool Packet Letter Office. The examples shown are all perfectly explained. Daniel
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sudbury12000
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What I collect: Canada, Great Britain, Germany, World Pre 1925
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Post by sudbury12000 on Feb 14, 2023 0:18:11 GMT
uppercanadian thank you so much for this info, and daniel I appreciate the update! I am glad I got possession of this cover. Looking forward to reading it.
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