banknoteguy
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Post by banknoteguy on Mar 9, 2023 23:54:43 GMT
I bought this sheet recently without knowing anything about it because I thought it looked interesting.
Does anyone know any background? Was this something that was sold to collectors? Or just something a collector put together? If so, where did the CDS come from? Are the stamps reprints? Etc.
Any information appreciated. The sheet and a crop from the lower right corner are below:
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eggdog
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Post by eggdog on Mar 10, 2023 0:25:09 GMT
Here's my best guess, though no guarantees. Somebody bought the set at the post office, talked a postal worker into canceling them even though he'd be walking out the door with them, and when the postal worker agreed to go along, the buyer stuck them onto the sheet of paper. I've heard things like this called "favor cancels".
Or in this case the postmark stamp itself might have been a homebrew. It looks like they were canceled on 9 December 1925; Fiume was annexed in February 1924 and remained an integral part of Italy until after World War II, when it was transferred to Jugoslavia and renamed Rijeka. (Italian is still a co-official language in Rijeka, along with Croatian.) There may have been a grace period in which Fiume stamps were accepted for postage, but that's, what, 22 months, which is very unusually long for a grace period, and I can't imagine that any post offices would have had these stamps sitting around in stock. Someone still could have brought them in talked a postal worker into postmarking the sheet, but I doubt it. It could even be that the stamps themselves are forgeries, as Fiume's stamps were forged early and often - for purposes of free & cheap postage as well as to beguile collectors.
It's certainly an interesting piece, though. Even philatelic objects of limited legitimacy can reflect something about history.
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daniel
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Post by daniel on Mar 10, 2023 1:26:21 GMT
Jack, banknoteguy, it appears that they were issued in loose booklets and you're missing the cover. See eBay here and hereDaniel
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banknoteguy
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What I collect: 19th Century US, High denomination US (> $1), 19th century covers US, Indian Feudatory States and most recently I acquired a BigBlue [with about 5,000 stamps] and pristine pages.
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Post by banknoteguy on Mar 10, 2023 2:03:39 GMT
Yeah that makes some sense. Mine is a folded sheet possibly with the left edge/pane/cover cutoff at at some point.
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Beryllium Guy
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Mar 10, 2023 4:00:41 GMT
Or in this case the postmark stamp itself might have been a homebrew. It looks like they were canceled on 9 December 1925 Good try, Eddie, but actually the date looks to be 25-Oct-1919. The postmark reads 9D25.OTT.919. I think that the 9D indicates the time of day, and 25.OTT.919 is the date, as OTT = Ottobre (Italian) = October. This would put the date well inside the time period when Fiume was operating its own post office, 1918-1924. Jack ( banknoteguy ), thanks for posting. I think this is a very nice item, and I like the stamps of Fiume very much!
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eggdog
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Post by eggdog on Mar 11, 2023 2:11:18 GMT
Good try, Eddie, but actually the date looks to be 25-Oct-1919. The postmark reads 9D25.OTT.919. I think that the 9D indicates the time of day, and 25.OTT.919 is the date, as OTT = Ottobre (Italian) = October. Huh. I might have looked at that date for another few minutes and seen it that way. Or I might not. Three-digit years don't tend to jump out at me the way "19" or "1919" do; I thought 9:19 might have been the time. And I was already imprinted, so to speak, on 9 December. But on second (or sixth or eighth) glance, yeah, you got it right. I'll have to keep my eyes farther open for these varieties from here on in. (And all they're saving is a silly old 1 - that's hardly any ink at all! It's not like they have to spring for, like, an 8. You know?) Anyway, I'm glad you got the straight answer to banknoteguy .
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Post by dgdecker on Mar 11, 2023 2:24:55 GMT
Thanks for posting an opening a discussion. I have a few of these but have never really known if they are legit. Now I have some info to start with if I want to research if mine are genuine. Just another great example of how on this Forum we can learn from others.
David
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