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Post by sudbury12000 on Mar 15, 2023 12:50:15 GMT
I was going through the New Zealand posts on the forum and I did not see anything specific to overprints. Since, thanks to nbstamper I will be adding to mine. These are two that I have currently. I have to organize my officials as the Scott Album I have does not have much space for that issue. The Victoria Land is MNH, and looks great. I wonder if anyone has seen this issue actually used. Hope so, I need goals!
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DK
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Post by DK on Mar 16, 2023 3:52:32 GMT
Thanks for sharing these items. As with all items that have been overprinted, treat them with caution - especially if they are worth a lot of money if 'Genuine'. There is nothing easier to do in the stamp world than to create fake items with a fake overprint. ***So 'Caveat Emptor' buyer beware*** My opinions on these 2: The Victoria Land o/p on the 1d 'Dominion' 'looks' genuine to me. These sell for around NZ$50 to $75 or so if in good condition. It is part of a small set of 2 stamps released for the 1910 British Antarctic Expedition. 1910 British Antarctic ExpeditionThe Terra Nova Expedition, officially the British Antarctic Expedition, was an expedition to Antarctica which took place between 1910 and 1913. Led by Captain Robert Falcon Scott, the expedition had various scientific and geographical objectives. Scott wished to continue the scientific work that he had begun when leading the Discovery Expedition from 1901 to 1904 and wanted to be the first to reach the geographic South Pole.
He and four companions attained the pole on 17 January 1912, where they found that a Norwegian team led by Roald Amundsen had preceded them by 34 days. Scott's party of five died on the return journey from the pole; some of their bodies, journals, and photographs were found by a search party eight months later. The expedition, named after its supply ship, was a private venture financed by public contributions and a government grant. It had further backing from the Admiralty, which released experienced seamen to the expedition, and from the Royal Geographical Society. The expedition's team of scientists carried out a comprehensive scientific program, while other parties explored Victoria Land and the Western Mountains. An attempted landing and exploration of King Edward VII Land was unsuccessful. A journey to Cape Crozier in June and July 1911 was the first extended sledging journey in the depths of the Antarctic winter.
For many years after his death, Scott's status as tragic hero was unchallenged, and few questions were asked about the causes of the disaster which overcame his polar party. In the final quarter of the 20th century the expedition came under closer scrutiny, and more critical views were expressed about its organization and management. The degree of Scott's personal culpability and, more recently, the culpability of certain expedition members, remains controversial.Here are a couple of forgeries that were offered some time ago on Trademe: O.P.S.O OverprintsNow the O.P.S.O overprints are quite rare - but - if anyone was wanting to buy these then please, buy them with a certificate from known good sources. There are many, many fakes out there. An article from the Auckland Philatelic Society (APS): APS Article on the OPSO overprintsO.P.S.O (On Public Service Only) overprinted stamps, Martin noted that little used material on cover is available. He also commented that at Kororareka, in the very early days of colonial government, government mail could be sent free of charge. Franking privileges tended to be abused from the 1860s onwards, and from 1862 onwards government departments were presented with a bill for assessed mail that they had posted. In 1892 New Zealand entered the Universal Postal Union (U.P.U), and U.P.U regulations did not allow for government mail to be sent through the postal system without stamps. To overcome this problem, stamps were hand stamped with an O.P.S.O. overprint. These stamps should have been used only for letters to foreign countries, though later reprints of O.P.S.O. officials had parcel denominations. Public Service stamps were used on registered mail. The overprint is usually diagonal, reading upwards, and the usual cancellation is a Wellington circular date stamp. The overprints appeared on the halfpenny newspaper stamp, the second sideface issue, the 1898-1907 pictorials, and the penny Universal. The overprint appears in various colours - violet, rose, magenta and green. There are examples of cancellations resulting from wound back date stamps, and many stamps were overprinted per favour. There was little overall control of the production of these stamps, they were not commonly collected at the time, and even the Post Office archives are lacking many of the stamps. Around 1902 reprints were printed for collectors. Initially it was an offence to sell official stamps to the general public. Lots of the O.P.S.O. stamps were used on the same date (!), and it is difficult to tell whether these stamps were genuinely used. O.P.S.O. stamps on cover are scarce and seriously valuable. In 1907 stocks of O.P.S.O. stamps were destroyed, but in 1913 reprints were made for presentation purposes. And from member of Stampboards - Chippin - he wrote this : Used ones should always be expertised and, in my opinion the only experts I would use for these are in New Zealand and part of the RPSNZ expertising group. I have a number, with Wellington postmarks (anything without you can forget for used copies) that looked good to me but were not accepted as genuine. Of course if you can find them on cover they are as good as self-certifiable if they are on OPSO cover, to an overseas address, postmarked Wellington and dated (for sidefaces) in the 1890s (after Oct 1891). Thanks for sharing these sudbury12000 Dave
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DK
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Post by DK on Mar 16, 2023 4:00:08 GMT
The Victoria Land is MNH, and looks great. I wonder if anyone has seen this issue actually used. Hope so, I need goals! From this site => British Antarctic ExpeditionsDave
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Post by DK on Mar 17, 2023 3:01:28 GMT
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Post by DK on Mar 17, 2023 3:19:10 GMT
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Post by kiwimacfamily on Nov 14, 2023 4:45:29 GMT
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Post by rod222 on Nov 14, 2023 5:14:47 GMT
I know that OPSO overprints are a minefield. I would be interested in any thoughts of 3 of these from my collection. At least the 1898 has a clear Wellington Postmark but I note the overprint shade is slightly different to the Auckland Stamp example from their recent auction. Suspect I will go for RPSNZ certification unless the consensus is that they are forgeries. 1892 Postage stamps overprinted "O.P.S.O." (On Public Service Only) in violet or red (the 5 p brown also in green)
I have the set in Klasebour, I'll have a bo-peep on what he has to say Authenticity : Unable to comment
12 Values All RR to RRR. (unused or Used)
Going by what he shows as genuine, (Vol 1) I would politely suggest yours are all counterfeit (Based on the "S" which appear more closed on the suggested genuine opt ) and the periods appear more square. Nevertheless, I wish you luck with other opinions.
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Post by DK on Nov 14, 2023 18:40:45 GMT
I know that OPSO overprints are a minefield. I would be interested in any thoughts of 3 of these from my collection. At least the 1898 has a clear Wellington Postmark but I note the overprint shade is slightly different to the Auckland Stamp example from their recent auction. Suspect I will go for RPSNZ certification unless the consensus is that they are forgeries. Earlier in this thread: And from member of Stampboards - Chippin - he wrote this : Used ones should always be expertised and, in my opinion the only experts I would use for these are in New Zealand and part of the RPSNZ expertising group. I have a number, with Wellington postmarks (anything without you can forget for used copies) that looked good to me but were not accepted as genuine. Of course if you can find them on cover they are as good as self-certifiable if they are on OPSO cover, to an overseas address, postmarked Wellington and dated (for sidefaces) in the 1890s (after Oct 1891). On first looks at your ones, above, they do look quite convincing, but, until you have had them expertized I would think of them as fake. Hopefully the Wellington postmarked one 'may' be ok. Are you a member of the RPSNZ? Dave
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Post by michael on Nov 15, 2023 12:02:54 GMT
A timely reminder that forgeries of the Victoria Land overprints are often available on Ebay. You should know what you are buying, in this case the overprint is clearly visible and indented on the back of the stamp. The following sold for £54 despite the descripion saying Reproduction. It's not just the overprint the whole stamp is freshly printed on a printer.
Why would anyone want these in their collection?
The real thing.
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Post by neilmac on Dec 9, 2023 3:34:48 GMT
I was going through the New Zealand posts on the forum and I did not see anything specific to overprints. Since, thanks to nbstamper I will be adding to mine. These are two that I have currently. I have to organize my officials as the Scott Album I have does not have much space for that issue. The Victoria Land is MNH, and looks great. I wonder if anyone has seen this issue actually used. Hope so, I need goals! Both the 1/2d green and 1d red are often found on certificates like this. For authentication the overprint is not surfaced printed, but stamped. If you look carefully (hard to scan) you can see indentations of overprint. Fakes often have not indentations and often cannot even be seen from the back. Same for Auckland Exhibition and a few others.
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Post by DK on Dec 9, 2023 23:53:43 GMT
Agree with you neilmac & michael re the reverse side and being able to see the 'punched' "Victoria Land" overprint. Here are two examples I have, mint & used: and the overprint from the reverse side highlighted ( clear on this mint example!) So, the genuine ones should be of a crisp printing as per examples shown above, (barring the pair shown by michael ) If they look this grainy and the backs are absolutely fresh white without watermark or the overprint outline showing, and you are not sure, then don't bid on them. PS and the full stop after LAND should be square like a dice not round! Dave
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Post by DK on Dec 10, 2023 0:17:29 GMT
Similar applies to the Auckland Exhibition set. They should be of a very crisp print quality as per this scan below. The overprint should be seen on the reverse side, they should be watermarked and the full stop after 1913 should be square. Dave
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Post by DK on Dec 10, 2023 0:24:34 GMT
And a used set of the Auckland Exhibition issue: Dave
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