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Post by Statesman Stamper on Mar 19, 2023 20:41:40 GMT
Does anyone have experience using Michel catalogues for areas outside Europe? I'm in the U.S. and have used Scott for all of my adult collecting life. As I get older I find Scott a little too simplified for my tastes (Really dislike the way they will list several different perforations for a single series without giving any indication of which denominations can be found with which perfs.), and don't really like the splitting up of postage stamps into regular issues and back of book. I think stamps look better in a chronological order, so that you can see the full range of a country's issues as they were released.
I know Michel is supposed to have good coverage for European countries, but how do they stack up for areas like Central or South America, or Southeast Asia? Especially in comparison to Scott. I'm not looking for highly specialized information, just distinct numbers (even if minor) for perf varieties and shades. I also considered Gibbons, based on the way stamps are listed in an older edition of their Balkans catalogue, but I'm not sure how easy it will be to find copies of their Central and South America catalogues at a price that doesn't seem outrageous.
Thanks in advance,
Dale
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khj
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Post by khj on Mar 19, 2023 21:10:49 GMT
All worldwide catalog publishers will still have their areas of "strength" by nature of their geographic origins. So of course, the general rule of thumb is, for the area you are interested in, choose the catalog publisher that matches that area.
So, for example (only considering publishers of WW catalogs):
US+ go with Scott British Commonwealth go with Stanley Gibbons German area go with Michel French area go with Y&T/Maury Italian area go with Unificato ...
For areas not covered above, I would suggest that Michel tends to have better coverage. So Michel would be the default choice for all other countries. Others may have different perspectives/choices that you will find more insightful than my blanket suggestions.
Of course, once you get into more nitty gritty, then you go to other limited area specialty catalog publishers -- e.g., Unitrade, Facit, NVPH, Bale... But I didn't include those because once you get that depth, those publishers are not WW catalog publishers. But, you do go into those individual catalogs and leave the WW publishers aside by then.
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philatelia
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Post by philatelia on Mar 19, 2023 23:49:46 GMT
If you mostly use a catalog for information, identification and organizing and don’t need the pricing info, one option is to just use Colnect. You can get ballpark values from Stampworld. Catalogs have become so very expensive. If you’d rather spend the money on actual stamps these are an option. That said, khj is right in my opinion. Even many auctions use the catalogs he mentions for those specific areas. My personal favorite is Michel - overall.
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eggdog
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Post by eggdog on Mar 20, 2023 0:51:55 GMT
Does anyone have experience using Michel catalogues for areas outside Europe? I'm in the U.S. and have used Scott for all of my adult collecting life. As I get older I find Scott a little too simplified for my tastes (Really dislike the way they will list several different perforations for a single series without giving any indication of which denominations can be found with which perfs.), and don't really like the splitting up of postage stamps into regular issues and back of book. I think stamps look better in a chronological order, so that you can see the full range of a country's issues as they were released. I don't collect all Central or South American countries. In my experience, Scott equals Michel there. I once found a Paraguayan stamp from the early 1980s that was in Michel and wasn't in Scott. At that time, Scott was rebelling against certain countries that issued lots of stamps that did not seem to be available for sale in the country whose name they bore. I guess they never went back and retrofitted Paraguay; I really don't know how many of those gray-market stamps they ever did go back and add. But that's really the only Latin American stamp (and a few others from Paraguay, that's it) I remember seeing in Michel and not in Scott. I can't quote chapter & verse, but I think Scott may be better overall on printing varieties from Latin America. Anyway, I've found Scott plenty adequate for Honduras, Salvador, and Costa Rica, which I still pursue. (Maybe that's because so many of them were printed in the USA??) The same goes for Chile, Colombia, and Argentina, which I'm not really in the hunt for any more but did chase for quite a while. Michel is magisterial and seem the most complete for southeastern Europe and Poland (I found about thirty 1980s Bulgarian stamps in Michel that Scott ignored). I can't say, though, that the printing and page layout are always easy to look at. When choosing a catalogue, take note of your capacity to tolerate eyestrain. I've never really done a head-to-head on any of the Western European countries. Gibbons is the most attractive. I'm not that familiar with it; they have been called the crème de la crème of Commonwealth, which they probably are, but I'm not a Commonwealth collector so I can't add any personal knowledge. As far as Scott's sketchy coverage of perforations, I've only seen that in series that have so many perforation varieties that it would be hard to list them all or even to be reasonably assured that they got them all. I agree that Michel may try a little harder, at least on early European stamps. Oh, and welcome to TSF!
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Post by jimwentzell on Mar 20, 2023 2:50:19 GMT
I use my Michel Asien 1994 (two-volumes edition) almost as much as my 2018 or 2022 Scott catalogs. Reason, mostly, is the two Michel volumes are much more compact and easier to navigate on a busy, crowded stamp desk. Unless I need current catalog prices--which is not very often at all--I rarely reach for the Scott catalogs,unless it's for post-1993 stamps, which obviously my older Michel lack. The stamps pictured are NOT in color (only black and white), but print quantities ( "Auflage") when available are included, as well as a few more details than Scott gives sometimes, such as prices for FDC (first day covers), and often the printing company. Prices (notoriously high in Michel) are listed in the old pre-2001 D-Mark as well (DM 1,94 = one Euro). In some Michel listings there often are THREE or even FOUR columns for catalog value; MINT UNHINGED (**) UNUSED HINGED (*) USED (circle with a dot inside) and a circle filled with diagonal back-slash type marks indicating CTO or favor cancels. Helpful for estimating value of cancelled-to-order stamps or favor-canceled items, such as Third Reich and East Germany, among others. Also, I like the way Michel gives the Souvenir Sheets (Sheetlets, Commemorative Blocks) their own separate catalog number, for example Block 1, Block 2, Block 3 totally regardless of the stamps contained within them. Helpful for countries like South Korea that have over 400 Blocks issued up to 1994 (see below).But the Block numbers ARE listed immediately following the stamps they contain, and I find it very helpful that the (metric) size for the blocks are mentioned...useful for saving a space on your album page if you have no idea of the block's size! Also helpful at the beginning of each country is a numerical listing of all "Blocks" indicating where they are listed, after the corresponding Michel stamp number. In other words, Michel makes a bit more sense than Scotts. No more looking in the "back section of the book" for airmails and charity stamps (semi-postals) although Portomarken (postage dues) and the like ARE listed "back there". Since Michel catalogs can be pricey new, I like to pick them up at German stamp fairs/bourses...or sometimes from collectors online looking to upgrade their older catalogs. The US$20 I paid for my two Michel Asia 1994 catalogs about ten years ago was well worth it! For collectors of Russia, however, one will NOT find it in Asia catalogs. Russia is listed in OLDER Michel catalogs in Europa/Ost issues. The latest Michel Russia/USSR 2023/2024 catalog was just released this month for EUR 67,29 and has over 7,900 color pictures of that prolific stamp entity, michel.de noted. Also recently many Michel catalogs are now printed in English, for those who sprechen kein Deutsch.
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Post by djcmh on Mar 20, 2023 5:50:43 GMT
I will give a full reply later (at work now) but another option for Michel is their Michel Online database, which gives you access the full line of Michel catalogues (except specialized titles) for less than US$200/year. And listings are updated as new editions of hardcopy volumes are publishedm/
Note that it is not like Scott online which is basically a glorified PDF, but rather a searchable database of the entire Michel catalogue.
The price is a bargain compared to the highway robbery Scott is charging for one year online access to its catalogues (something over $US500/year for just 1 year of access!)
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Post by djcmh on Mar 20, 2023 12:55:32 GMT
as khj said all of the big 4 catalogues have their strengths and weaknesses, and it is interesting when you deal with parts of the world that are "outside" the area of specialization for any of them that you can make comparisons. At Colnect, I *generally* consider Scott the catalogue of record for Latin America for those nations that do not have their own national catalogues (though most do). For Eastern Europe and the Middle East Michel is stronger than Scott, would also say the same for the Far East as well. Independent Africa really for most part falls with whoever the colonial rulers were so Yvert for Francophone, Gibbons for Anglophone, and then Michel for "others". Gibbons regional catalogues are also very very good for these areas, but finding them can be difficult as many of the non-European/non-Commonwealth ones have not had new editions since the late first decade of the 2000s. But if you can track them down they can be goldmines, and do very good jobs with perforation and shade differences. But do not depend on Gibbons Stamps of the World. I won't go any further as my mother said if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything. Yvert is good in that it also covers things like telegraph stamps and postal-fiscal items that Scott and Michel leave out - especially good for Latin America in that regard. Price wise it's online edition is also a bargain - full access to the complete range of Yvert general catalouges (14 volumes I think in total) for approximately US$150 or so per year, and they, like Scott, are like large PDF files. In the end the goal of Colnect is to provide a "synthesis" of the data in all of the big 4 and the national specialized catalogues to create an organic single whole in one place, which means bringing together varieties that might be listed in only one or two of the big 4 but not all (plus all the goodies in the national specialized catalogues that all of the Big 4 ignore).
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Post by salentin on Mar 20, 2023 13:32:24 GMT
As it is only Scott and Michel offer fully worldwide rather actual catalogues. Scott is O.K.,but not very clearly arranged.However it is more affordable. Michel is in nearly all aspects superior,but has two setbacks: You need a good understanding of German to take full advantage of the content. And you need to have deep pockets.The complete set of the general catalogues, specialized cats.excluded,costs in the range of € 2000.-. But then Michel oversee-cats. are not issued on a yearly turn.
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