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Post by philatelia on Mar 21, 2023 18:58:42 GMT
Has anyone ever successfully repaired loose rows on Hagnar stock sheets? Your advice would be greatly appreciated.
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Post by vikingeck on Mar 21, 2023 19:33:56 GMT
You know , I never thought about it! Usually when one line gives way the rest are doomed to follow so I chop them up and use to carry eBay sales etc or as stiffeners in mailing. to repair , one would need a glue dispenser with a fine nozzle. Eg a superglue so watch the fingers , watch the stamps you do raise some interesting points Terri, philatelia
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Post by stainlessb on Mar 21, 2023 19:52:44 GMT
Here's my wild idea, but it is based on some experience with plastics...
I would imagine that a low wattage soldering iron (wood burning tool) would do the trick. . A straight edge and draw the tip of the iron down. Might take some experimentation to get either right heat setting or how quick you draw it down. A commercial bag sealer/heat bar would work great!
I think they are probably put together with heat bars (kind of like sealing vacuum bags)
To glue, I think you would need a solvent based glue (acetone by itself might work). The binding on musical instruments (the black or white , or some times multi color is done just using acetone (a heat gun/high powered hair drier) is used to pre bend the binding(s)
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philatelia
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Post by philatelia on Mar 21, 2023 19:56:12 GMT
I have some that were almost new that I snagged on something or other that only have one loose row. Those are the ones I want to fix. But yes, you’re right, vikingeck, when old ones start to fail the entire page was probably short of adhesive so the rest of the page is probably going to fall off.
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Post by philatelia on Mar 21, 2023 19:57:29 GMT
Lol I used to do a fair bit of soldering when I did board repairs, but I never thought those skills would applicable to stamp collecting!
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Post by khj on Mar 21, 2023 20:18:15 GMT
This is just my opinion, but I strongly dissuade trying to repair strips from stockbooks/stockpages unless you just want to experiment with low-value duplicate stamps. The simple reason -- it's really hard to get the adhesive quality control in terms of position/spread. There's a reason why they use machines to do it. The adhesive you use will almost certainly get "squished" unevenly. The glue used is a "rubber" glue, and you can get your stamp tips gunked up (think, putting too many stamps in a G&K collector card and having them push down to the very bottom glue area and then having to get stamp tongs to forcibly pull then out -- or worse, tearing the clear pocket off so you can pull your stamps off the backing card!). That being said, you need a pH-neutral "rubber" adhesive, such as pH-neutral PVA. These can be purchased readily in small squeeze bottles with tips online. Go with the established brands. When you go archival, it doesn't make sense to skimp. The hard part is getting an idea of how much glue to use and to be able to apply it consistently. Can't really use painter's/masking tape, huh? Have fun, you brave soul. The durability of these types of "rubber" glues is strongly affected by environmental extremes. Basically, anything that won't let a rubber band last long, will bode poorly for Hagner stock sheets. When I start running into this problem with "glued" stockpage/stockbook strips, I remove all the stamps, press/slide hard with the back of my fingernail where the separation is starting along the length of the glue line. If the separation is not too much and the glue hasn't gotten too dried out, you can re-adhere the strip this way. Then keep the page pressed with a Scott catalog for a day or so. Can't really do a catalog press with stockbook, so you sometimes have to repeat the fingernail press a number of times and keep the stockbook snuggly closed. This doesn't always work, but does on occasion work for me if the separation is just beginning and the glue still has some of its "rubber" qualities. Note, the Hawid glue pen would not work on paper/card backing, since it's not actually a glue but chemically "melts" the material to seal the edge. So that is not an option here. [EDIT: last paragraph, correct Hawid mount glue to Hawid glue pen. Thanks, brookbam! Not sure what Hawid mount glue is made from.]
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Post by philatelia on Mar 21, 2023 21:18:01 GMT
Thank you for the great comments! Thoughtful and intelligent posts - much appreciated. Hmmm - so far it doesn’t sound like anyone has had any success repairing these sheets. Right now I’m just using strips of black super sticky post it notes to hold a loose end in place. If the whole row has come loose they won’t work. It’s not elegant, but as khj mentions, I don’t need to worry about anything sticking to the stamps. Maybe I’ll just “stick” with that! Over the years I’ve seen quite a bit of manufacturing flaws with these products - everything from not enough glue to too much glue, plastic not cut deep enough or so deep that the cardboard is cut. I’ve seen miscut crooked rows, too. I’ve returned quite a few to get replacements. I’ve seen “made in Germany, England and Sweden if my memory serves”. The more rows, the more problems with loose rows. Almost all of the sheets with loose rows are size 6. Size 7 and 8 rarely fail. I bought some size fives and they were really fragile so I never buy those now - I use Vario for bigger rows instead. I think I have about 200 loose row size 6 - they are relegated to duplicates and approval books now. Some are decades old - that is probably why so many are failing now. Simple old age - a problem I can relate to!
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Post by brookbam on Mar 21, 2023 21:55:23 GMT
Note, the Hawid mount glue would not work on paper/card backing, since it's not actually a glue but chemically "melts" the material to seal the edge. So that is not an option here. Dang....that is what I came here to suggest....
I have three of those glue sticks/tubes here....somewhere.... brookbam
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Post by khj on Mar 21, 2023 22:15:48 GMT
Sorry, brookbam. I mistyped. I meant to type Hawid glue pen, which is actually a solvent. Hawid mount glue is a separate product. That might work, I've never used it and not sure what it's made of. Sorry about the typing the wrong product -- senior moment (I've gotten good at this with so much practice!).
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Post by brookbam on Mar 22, 2023 0:12:46 GMT
Sorry, brookbam . I mistyped. I meant to type Hawid glue pen, which is actually a solvent. Hawid mount glue is a separate product. That might work, I've never used it and not sure what it's made of. Sorry about the typing the wrong product -- senior moment (I've gotten good at this with so much practice!). This is what I thought you meant and is what I have here...somewhere....so we were all on the same page anyway.
To clarify...I have the pen that is supposed to re-glue the Hawid/Showgard mounts back to pages if they are pulled off. So whichever one that is...that is the one I have. brookbam
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Post by angore on Mar 22, 2023 9:50:16 GMT
I have used clear packaging tape!
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Post by vikingeck on Mar 22, 2023 9:54:16 GMT
I have used clear packaging tape! OUCH!
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Post by khj on Mar 22, 2023 16:01:39 GMT
I have used clear packaging tape! A couple of decades ago a teenage girl was showing me her stamp collection. She had neatly used cellophane tape to completely tape over/down each and every stamp on notebook paper. She was very excitedly showing me each page, organized in her special way. I kept my mouth shut other than answering some of her questions about specific stamps, until she finished showing me the dozen or so pages of her "beginner" collection. In discussing her nicely arranged pages, I casually mentioned that using tape would make the stamps immovable, and the tape could not be removed either. She said she knew, but that was OK with her -- "I like the way it looks". I kept my mouth shut regarding damage/loss after that. I realized that she was collecting the right way -- as it was apparent she was enjoying her collection more than I enjoyed mine! Lesson learned -- collect the stamps you want in the way you want, because in the end, you are the one who should enjoy your collection the most! Sometimes "beginners" know a lot more than "advanced" collectors! I've never forgotten that important stamp lesson she taught me.
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Post by angore on Mar 22, 2023 19:50:24 GMT
Here is a 2fer repair job. I am sure I am in the house of disdain but then I do not use hinges - only mounts! 1. tape 2. hole reinforcers I use them on Hagners in my duplicates binders. I am not a Hagner fan due to these issues but they look a lot better than the plastic reflective Varios. I wish they had a better quality stock. I have not tried pH testing Hageners.
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Post by zipper on Mar 23, 2023 13:26:39 GMT
Perhaps you can sew them?
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