philatelia
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What I collect: Ireland, Japan, Scandy, USA, Venezuela, Vatican, Bermuda, Austria
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Post by philatelia on May 9, 2023 11:28:41 GMT
Which countries, in your opinion, are the most complex to collect? I don’t mean expensive or difficult to find, I mean tricky to correctly identify different varieties.
I only collect about a dozen countries, but from that short list I believe classic USA and the early Japanese with their many forgeries are trickiest. The rest of the world is beyond my ken.
Let’s hear your opinions and experiences.
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Post by PostmasterGS on May 9, 2023 12:34:07 GMT
Germany immediately post-WWII. It's the reason my collection stops with the end of WWII. Germany to May 1945 is easy, and East/West Germany from Sep/Oct 1949 are easy. 1945-1949 were the wild, wild west.
Immediately after the war ended, there was officially recognized provisional postage -- a mixed bag of locally-produced (at a city/town level) overprints, locally-printed postage, provisional handstamps, etc. There was also unofficial provisional postage which is catalogued by Michel.
Once the Allies started printing postage, there was a desperate need for speed, with postage being printed in multiple locations by multiple occupiers, with poor quality control. Some of the Allied Occupation sets take a dozen pages in Michel just to list the paper, gum, watermark, color varieties, etc., of a single set.
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banknoteguy
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What I collect: 19th Century US, High denomination US (> $1), 19th century covers US, Indian Feudatory States and most recently I acquired a BigBlue [with about 5,000 stamps] and pristine pages.
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Post by banknoteguy on May 9, 2023 12:43:53 GMT
Indian Feudatory/Princely States (aka the Uglies) About 40 different states with issues from 1860s through 1948. Many are extraordinarily primitive on many kinds of papers. Some printed in watercolor based inks that you can't soak or the image just disappears. Many non English scripts. And to top it off various kinds of counterfeits (some done by post office officials), copies, reprints (some official) and fantasies. Even one current eBay seller producing fake cancels left and right on fairly rare but genuine stamps. Go figure. One of my favorite states is Jammu & Kashmir. Below is a pair of Half Anna stamps from there cancelled with the brick red obliterator from Srinigar -- SG91 from 1866-77. Watercolor. Below is another SG91 Half Anna Kashmir blue mint, no gum (as issued). You can see the legends and the native laid paper:
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Jerry B
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Post by Jerry B on May 9, 2023 14:05:18 GMT
Hi Philatela
Some Latin Americs. My area of Colombia, Ecuador and Venezuela with all the different printings, especially Ecuador with the Seebecks.
Jerry B
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stainlessb
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What I collect: currently focused on most of western Europe, much of which is spent on France, Belgium, Germany and Great Britain Queen Victoria
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Post by stainlessb on May 9, 2023 14:20:32 GMT
France has proven to be many times more involved than I had ever imagined when I started, but I suppose this is true of many 'older' countries once you dive in.
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salentin
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collecting Germany,where I live and about 20 more countries,half of them in Asia east of the Indus
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Post by salentin on May 18, 2023 16:11:21 GMT
Just tried to get some kind of order in my early Nepal stamps. They are not only difficult to distinguish,but also printed so badly,that one can hardly see the design. As an example a pair,I think is of the 1899/1906 one Anna stamp;Michel no.16B (Scott no.23). Colour is most likely indigo,but I am even not really sure,wether this is a "normal" pair or a tete beche pair. (I do not want to think about possible forgeries.)
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rednaxela
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What I collect: Germany in all its facets since 1871 (especially German Reich used including postal statinoneries, used), USSR, Austria, Switzerland, Luxembourg, Liechtenstein, Denmark, France. I design all album pages for my collection myself and partly make them available to the general public for use.
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Post by rednaxela on May 18, 2023 17:05:59 GMT
Germany immediately post-WWII. It's the reason my collection stops with the end of WWII. Germany to May 1945 is easy, and East/West Germany from Sep/Oct 1949 are easy. 1945-1949 were the wild, wild west. Immediately after the war ended, there was officially recognized provisional postage -- a mixed bag of locally-produced (at a city/town level) overprints, locally-printed postage, provisional handstamps, etc. There was also unofficial provisional postage which is catalogued by Michel. Once the Allies started printing postage, there was a desperate need for speed, with postage being printed in multiple locations by multiple occupiers, with poor quality control. Some of the Allied Occupation sets take a dozen pages in Michel just to list the paper, gum, watermark, color varieties, etc., of a single set. The Germania issues of the German Reich are also quite complex, just because of all their color nuances in both types of printing (peace printing and war printing) and also because of the perforation variations and partial retouching in the Mark values (symbolic representations of the German Reich).
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vikingeck
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What I collect: Samoa, Tobacco theme, Mail in Wartime, anything odd and unusual!
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Post by vikingeck on May 18, 2023 18:10:16 GMT
I have always avoided the complexities of perf, watermark and crude design representations of Queen Victorias Australian colonies , especially the state of Victoria, time consuming and just plain boring .
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eggdog
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What I collect: It's complicated....
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Post by eggdog on May 18, 2023 18:21:16 GMT
The Greek Hermes heads can be pretty confusing; they have many of the same problems as rednaxela (welcome!) describes with the Germanias, and "clean plates" and "not-so-clean plates" add to the confusion. I love the Hermes heads, and I like to think that I've got at least half of the ones in my collection identified correctly! The overprints from the reclamation of the northern parts of Greece after the collapse of the Ottoman empire are a lot of fun, too. I also really like postwar Germany, but PostmasterGS is right on the money with the provisionals and the AMG printings, which are among the sloppiest in all of German philatelic history. The 1948-51 series (Sc. 634-661) is so diffuse I decided that every single stamp must be its own variety. I looked at some Indian states stamps once. I knew I'd met my match, so I went off and started a Teddy Bears on Stamps collection.
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angore
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What I collect: WW, focus on British Empire
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Post by angore on May 18, 2023 19:35:20 GMT
I have not responded to this thread because I have no idea to judge. To some degree, it starts out by collecting using a specialist catalog unless someone just wants to stick to Scott or Gibbons and count the minor values.. The Indian states scare me but do not collect them.
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Post by greaden on May 19, 2023 0:03:45 GMT
France is comparatively simple, although if one wants to get into the weeds, one can dive into semeuse varieties, or early plate positions. The only real headache I found was distinguishing among early mainline French stamps, Bordeaux provisionals, and French general Colonies. But in tackling that problem I stumbled into what is now one of my primary collecting areas: French General Colonies postmarks. For the United States, it is harder to bypass the headaches. I am defining my US collection as face-different, so as to avoid minor differences in early stamps where Scott lists what should be varieties and plate positions as fully distinct stamps. Also, I am steering clear of coils and the whole Washington-Franklin mess. The Banknote paper varieties are harder to avoid, and I keep trying and giving up. Canadian paper types also stopped me in my collecting tracks. As for the German area, its complexities are an advantage. It is a sprawling mess, but it falls into bite size pieces that can be tackled one at a time.
Latin America might be too complicated for me to collect beyond the most basic level. The Seebeck problem, the watermarks, and the papers are beyond the sort of challenge I could rise to for a hobby.
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djcmh
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What I collect: Worldwide
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Post by djcmh on May 19, 2023 5:11:05 GMT
The multitude of overprints on Chinese issues after the Japanese invasion of 1937 through to the Communist victory in 1949 are very, very, very, complex, and even with the amazing China Stamp Society pre-1949 China catalogue it's still often tough going!
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