philatelia
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Post by philatelia on May 16, 2023 10:50:46 GMT
Just found these Chinese forgeries in a recent batch of kiloware. There were only a few flag stamps in this mix and quite a few were forgeries. I can’t begin to imagine the United States Postal Service loss of revenue. At first glance, they look decent, but when you look at the micro printing, they are obviously fake. Not sure if this is considered a political comment (Politics are not allowed here in the forum) but I wrote my Congressman to ask that a more aggressive effort be made to stop this.  |
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philatelia
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Post by philatelia on May 16, 2023 11:57:06 GMT
Close up pics showing differences; Genuine on the left. Fake has much more saturated color and coarser dots. Look how closely they have faked the die cuts. These forgeries are getting scary good.  |
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salentin
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Post by salentin on May 16, 2023 12:38:16 GMT
In my opinion,this is a case for the iudicary and not for politicians. Anyway,there are two types of culprits: those who produce and sell such forgeries and those who buy them and use them for postage. I know,whom I like less !
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philatelia
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Post by philatelia on May 16, 2023 12:59:14 GMT
Sadly, my guess is that most people buying these have NO CLUE that they are forgeries. Many of the ads spin a tale saying that their company bought a large supply and now they are selling the excess. Yeah - pure baloney to trick the average person into thinking they are getting a deal. Most folks know very little about stamps after all.
It’s like the drug user versus the drug dealer. They are both breaking the law, but Who is the bigger criminal?
I read that the stamps of other countries are also starting to be forged. Anyone know more?
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salentin
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Post by salentin on May 16, 2023 15:55:21 GMT
Well,maybe.There will be also people,who buy $ 20.- bills for $ 10.- from someone,who claims to have
many more $ 20.- bills,than he can need.
There are many modern forgeries of german defintive stamps.
The oldest forgery to cheat the post office,I can recall,is the "Veronese Forgery" from 1853. The 15 and the 30 Centes. of the austrian province Lombardy and Venetia from 1850. Mint the forgeries cost about ten times as much as the originals,used about one thousand times as much ! So probably the modern forgeries will be become very valuable in the future.
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Post by gstamps on May 17, 2023 7:23:20 GMT
philatelia, I don't have a recent Scott catalog so I don't know what printing method was used for these stamps. It would be very helpful to specify the technical data in the catalog (printing method, perforation, paper, watermark), reference elements that can help identify forgeries.
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Linda
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Post by Linda on May 17, 2023 8:42:00 GMT
philatelia, How do you know these forgeries are 'Chinese'?
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Post by gstamps on May 17, 2023 9:31:04 GMT
I searched for information on google: 2 printers, 2 types of paper (with different reaction to UV), 2 plates P1111 and P2222 but nothing about the printing method. Were they printed in offset? ( philatelia refers to the difference in size of the dots and how it looks and where the "micro-print" is positioned?) |
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kasvik
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Post by kasvik on May 17, 2023 9:57:23 GMT
philatelia , How do you know these forgeries are 'Chinese'?
All I can resolve is China has a reputation for banging out counterfeit everything, and there are lots of forgeries of Chinese high-value and contemporary postage stamps. It's an established topic here, too. Here is a report from US Customs about a stamp seizure a couple months ago. That's much more credible, but still doesn't explain.
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angore
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Post by angore on May 17, 2023 10:00:07 GMT
It does not matter if they are from China. The important aspect is they are forgeries. Of course the USPS makes it easy.
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Post by banknoteguy on May 17, 2023 12:21:27 GMT
It is hard to prove almost anything but if it walks like a duck and quacks ... From Linn's Stamps news in 2022: A “Made in China” sticker was affixed to the packaging of a counterfeit coil roll of the 2017 Flag stamp (Scott 5158). That label even includes the Scott catalog number on it.  |
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philatelia
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Post by philatelia on May 17, 2023 13:05:25 GMT
philatelia , How do you know these forgeries are 'Chinese'? They are often shipped directly from China. Let me assure you, I do not in any way believe that I am Sinophobic, but I can certainly understand your question given some of the rather horrific, racist and ugly attacks on Asian Americans by domestic terrorists. Racism can subtle or overt but both are nasty. |
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Linda
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Post by Linda on May 17, 2023 17:08:28 GMT
I see.
I don't think it's Sinophobic to point out that China is the world's biggest producer of forgeries and counterfeits. They certainly deserve the blame as the Chinese government did nothing to combat the fake industry.
My other collecting specialisation is artbook related to Japanese animation. I always make sure that my purchase comes from Japan directly, while telling other collectors not to purchase anything shipped from China, because forgeries/counterfeits/unaurhotrised goods abund.
I certainly don't feel offended nor ashamed by this as I am not Chinese; I am Taiwanese by birth.
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philatelia
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Post by philatelia on May 17, 2023 17:28:33 GMT
Thank you, Linda. Very gracious response.
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philatelia
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Post by philatelia on May 17, 2023 20:11:12 GMT
Ohhhh hooo! Check out this message - someone tried to send me something with forgeries on it! Idiots! I wonder who it was?  |
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Post by nick2302 on Sept 24, 2023 17:18:57 GMT
For the Chinese, or anyone for that matter to forge another countries postage stamps and try to pawn them off on unsuspecting people is so wrong on many levels. If the government(s) of the victim country can locate and stop this practice it would be a huge win. This sort of thing drives me bonkers, bad enough we as citizens seem to have to support so many other countries and our Post Office is always short on money. It is unjust as plain and simple as anyone can make it. I hope the congressman that was alerted to this situation at least brings it to others attention in the government.
Nick
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