johnamichael
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Post by johnamichael on Jun 6, 2023 14:55:47 GMT
Here are 18 stamps of Scott 104/NL. I am trying to distinguish between Yellow-Green and Blue-Green. If anyone wants to give me some help, that would be terrific. Scanned at 600dpi. Many thanks, John  |
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renden
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Post by renden on Jun 6, 2023 15:46:36 GMT
Here are 18 stamps of Scott 184/NL. I am trying to distinguish between Yellow-Green and Blue-Green. If anyone wants to give me some help, that would be terrific. Scanned at 600dpi. Many thanks, John John, I have consulted 3 Catalogs: Royal Family Issue
Coronation of KGV 1911, Jun 19 - stamps engraved (Walsh)Walsh 2024 N.S.S.C # 96 1c Queen Mary, yellow green # 96a blue green (no illustration) Unitrade Canada Spec 2023 (BNA Colonies section) #104 Queen Mary yellow green #104b blue green (no illustration) Scott Specialized 2021 #104 #104b (similar to Unitrade) (no illustration) Therefore, I cannot give an expert opinion on the blue green Your stamps all look to me as yellow green, but without a true comparision, I can be wrong Thanks for posting - I did not go into "Printers" as Walsh mentions De La Rue instead of Whitehead, Morris & Co, London, England René EDIT I found an illustration of 104b (blue green) on EBAY:  |
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johnamichael
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Post by johnamichael on Jun 6, 2023 18:51:56 GMT
Thanks Rene, I appreciate the thorough reply. There are 2-3 blue-green 184's for sale on eBay but there is really no way to know if they are the correct stamp. Certainly the illustration you have provided is a quite subtle variation.
When looking at the photoed stamps going from l-r and top to bottom #'s 3,5,9 &10 look darker especially within the base of the centre medallion as you progress upwards but of course who knows.
Thank you again,
John
ps it is scott 104 not 184, my mistake, corrected title.
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renden
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Post by renden on Jun 6, 2023 22:06:09 GMT
johnamichaelThe numbers listed (3 catalogs) are the true numbers (104 and 104b for Unitrade and Scott) - Walsh has a different numbering system (96 and 96a). As for your stamps, it is difficult (without a high resolution) to compare the minuscule differences one sees. Why don't you buy a 104b on Ebay and put it up with your stack of 104s ?? Since I do not own a 104b - tomorrow I might get one on Ebay (same seller) ?? since I have a 104 Cheers !! René
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Post by stainlessb on Jun 6, 2023 22:39:20 GMT
colors for this part of the world are out of my 'realm" but from dealing with shades from other countries (like France....) I 'suspect" that in looking at your scan, the stamps with the darker background (left/right of head) and in the more solid areas below ONE CENT (Left/Right)is where it will be easiest to distinguish. Looking at the SG colour guide there is a noticeable difference, and yet the "Yellow Green" doesn't look all that yellow any more than the 'Blue Green" looks all that blue.
add in a white (paper) background from the line etching and any obliteration and the task becomes all the the more muddied.
Based on this, my 'guess" is top row L-R 3, 5, 6 & 7 and bottom row 1& 4 seem to be the strongest candidates for the darker shade.
but keep in mind how it looks on my monitor may not be the same as it appears on yours
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johnamichael
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Post by johnamichael on Jun 7, 2023 0:13:03 GMT
colors for this part of the world are out of my 'realm" but from dealing with shades from other countries (like France....) I 'suspect" that in looking at your scan, the stamps with the darker background (left/right of head) and in the more solid areas below ONE CENT (Left/Right)is where it will be easiest to distinguish. Looking at the SG colour guide there is a noticeable difference, and yet the "Yellow Green" doesn't look all that yellow any more than the 'Blue Green" looks all that blue. add in a white (paper) background from the line etching and any obliteration and the task becomes all the the more muddied. Based on this, my 'guess" is top row L-R 3, 5, 6 & 7 and bottom row 1& 4 seem to be the strongest candidates for the darker shade. but keep in mind how it looks on my monitor may not be the same as it appears on yours Well actually we are pretty close, my estimation has been made under a daylight lamp. |
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johnamichael
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Post by johnamichael on Jun 7, 2023 0:14:24 GMT
johnamichael The numbers listed (3 catalogs) are the true numbers (104 and 104b for Unitrade and Scott) - Walsh has a different numbering system (96 and 96a). As for your stamps, it is difficult (without a high resolution) to compare the minuscule differences one sees. Why don't you buy a 104b on Ebay and put it up with your stack of 104s ?? Since I do not own a 104b - tomorrow I might get one on Ebay (same seller) ?? since I have a 104 Cheers !! René I did think about that René. But I am just not sure how much I can rely on the seller. I will think a bit more. I will be curious to see how your test goes. John |
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Post by gstamps on Jun 7, 2023 7:46:55 GMT
johnamichael The names of the colors, as I mentioned in other posts, are very imprecise. Notice that there are many shades of the same color (yellow green and blue green from the Michel Color Guide):  Below is an example with Wurttemberg stamps (black green and black blue green):  the blue color should be obvious. The fifth stamp from the bottom row I have the feeling that it has something blue. It would be interesting to take a picture of him and the sixth stamp from the top row - the difference might be more conclusive. You can ask the ebay seller to post the two colors in the same image - the difference should be obvious.
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Post by vikingeck on Jun 7, 2023 10:07:40 GMT
The fifth stamp from the bottom row I have the feeling that it has something blue. My thoughts also, certainly has more blue green overtones than the rest. |
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johnamichael
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Post by johnamichael on Jun 7, 2023 12:19:15 GMT
as asked. 
or black background |
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johnamichael
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Post by johnamichael on Jun 7, 2023 13:32:28 GMT
 Maybe better seen with blackground, but I believe they are different colours now. |
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renden
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Post by renden on Jun 7, 2023 15:29:39 GMT
johnamichael The numbers listed (3 catalogs) are the true numbers (104 and 104b for Unitrade and Scott) - Walsh has a different numbering system (96 and 96a). As for your stamps, it is difficult (without a high resolution) to compare the minuscule differences one sees. Why don't you buy a 104b on Ebay and put it up with your stack of 104s ?? Since I do not own a 104b - tomorrow I might get one on Ebay (same seller) ?? since I have a 104 Cheers !! René I did think about that René. But I am just not sure how much I can rely on the seller. I will think a bit more. I will be curious to see how your test goes. John Checked the 4 104b sold on Ebay as MNH - The price is way above the CV. For example, Scott lists the 104b MNH at US7.50 CV and seller wants US$22.95 - Imagine if I would buy the best copy with my $C !!! (worth less than 75 cents to the US $) Very nice discussions on this 104b Newfld stamp - René |
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johnamichael
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Post by johnamichael on Jun 7, 2023 16:33:48 GMT
Yes, I thought it was a bit too dear!
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Post by gstamps on Jun 8, 2023 11:32:09 GMT
Thanks johnamichael for the image with your two stamps. The difference can be seen better, but I just don't see the blue color... it could be a darker shade of yellow-green. I have attached to the 2 stamps, the 104b stamp (? if so) found by renden on ebay:  Not a trace of blue...maybe gray green (but, I still know I have problems with colors) |
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johnamichael
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Post by johnamichael on Jun 8, 2023 11:56:24 GMT
I have to admit that I can see a difference between 1 nd 2 above but not 2 and 3 but maybe you are right just s shade variation.
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