philatelia
Member 
Captain Jack - my best kiloware find ever!
Posts: 3,408
What I collect: Ireland, Japan, Scandy, USA, Venezuela, Vatican, Bermuda, Austria
|
Post by philatelia on Jul 29, 2023 19:04:42 GMT
Another of my finds from an auction lot: Scott #2920 lacking light blue. I’ve been searching for information, but nothing turns up on a color mostly/completely missing from this issue. Hmmmm. My 2020 Scott Specialized mentions a dark blue missing but nothing about light blue. Does anyone have a newer edition? Thanks  |
|
|
|
Post by paul1 on Jul 29, 2023 20:27:38 GMT
a very good find Terri - this looks to be a truly substantial error - colour missing from the window and the entire right hand side - plus the absent value. The curtains are now the wrong shade too!!
|
|
philatelia
Member
Captain Jack - my best kiloware find ever!
Posts: 3,408
What I collect: Ireland, Japan, Scandy, USA, Venezuela, Vatican, Bermuda, Austria
|
Post by philatelia on Jul 30, 2023 11:54:50 GMT
I asked around and consensus is that a color missing error might be possible. So I’ll send it in to have it certified. I can’t detect any micro dots of light blue with my loupes or blowing it up on the screen, so it needs to go to someone with a microscope. I never did replace my scope after the up/down focus adjustment jammed. I’ll let you know what they say.
I’m thinking of sending it in to the American Philatelic Society for expertising. Well if it is an error, it’ll get a catalog number, so fingers crossed.
|
|
Beryllium Guy
Moderator 
Posts: 5,659 
What I collect: Worldwide Stamps 1840-1930
Member is Online
|
Post by Beryllium Guy on Jul 30, 2023 13:41:36 GMT
Great find, Terri ( philatelia), and good luck with getting the cert.... it's pretty exciting stuff! After thoroughly enjoying your recent TSF Newsletter article on Your Top Ten Mixed Lot Finds, I just have to ask: could you see this item in advance when you bid on this lot, or does it qualify as another serendipitous discovery for you? If it is the latter, all I can say is that you have made some incredible finds! Here's to stamp treasure hunting, and you are the best hunter I know!  |
|
ameis33
Member
What's in a name? That which we call a rose, by any other name would smell as sweet
Posts: 505
What I collect: Poland and Italy Republic
|
Post by ameis33 on Jul 30, 2023 13:45:19 GMT
How these stamps have been printed? light blue, red, blue and yellow? so four layers? is it? then it could be one layer is missing
new or used? There is the gum?
|
|
philatelia
Member
Captain Jack - my best kiloware find ever!
Posts: 3,408
What I collect: Ireland, Japan, Scandy, USA, Venezuela, Vatican, Bermuda, Austria
|
Post by philatelia on Jul 30, 2023 14:18:24 GMT
ameis33 - well I’m not sure as to the technical details of this printing process, but I can say that it appears to be used, no cancel, no gum. Beryllium Guy - to answer your question, this find was a little bit of both. I bid on a stock card full of USA misperfs and I didn’t pay attention to this stamp until it arrived and I could actually LQQK at it. 99.999 % of the time these are UV fades or part color missing so I dismissed it as a modestly interesting EFO.
|
|
philatelia
Member
Captain Jack - my best kiloware find ever!
Posts: 3,408
What I collect: Ireland, Japan, Scandy, USA, Venezuela, Vatican, Bermuda, Austria
|
Post by philatelia on Jul 30, 2023 15:04:12 GMT
In a completely freaky turn of events, a very similar stamp - mint instead of used - just appeared on EBay. I had posted a query about this stamp on the Stamp Community Forum as there are many USA experts there. Well, a member there said about the appearance of a very similar stamp on EBay “ In a highly unlikely coincidence, this just appeared on eBay:”. What the hell? Is this guy implying that I had something to do with this? Some guy in Minnesota puts a similar stamp on EBay and all of a sudden I’m held in suspicion? Sheesh”. Having your honesty and integrity questioned is absolutely infuriating. I have my faults, but I am a Girl Scout when it comes to cheating or lying. I never even cheat a nickel on my taxes. My Scotch-Irish temper is steaming!  Time for deep, calming breaths! |
|
ameis33
Member
What's in a name? That which we call a rose, by any other name would smell as sweet
Posts: 505
What I collect: Poland and Italy Republic
|
Post by ameis33 on Jul 30, 2023 15:15:28 GMT
A new stamp usually get less suspects about manipulation, so if there are two stamps with the same defect one used and one unused, that’s a pretty good news… so stop being angry (or hungry? I’ve always confused the two words). A visit to an expert could be needed. Try looking for the third…
|
|
philatelia
Member
Captain Jack - my best kiloware find ever!
Posts: 3,408
What I collect: Ireland, Japan, Scandy, USA, Venezuela, Vatican, Bermuda, Austria
|
Post by philatelia on Jul 30, 2023 15:27:02 GMT
Good Point, ameis33. Thank you for that -  . |
|
ameis33
Member
What's in a name? That which we call a rose, by any other name would smell as sweet
Posts: 505
What I collect: Poland and Italy Republic
|
Post by ameis33 on Jul 30, 2023 15:30:44 GMT
Btw, ever thought to purchase the other stamp on eBay?
Btw2, when such a new stamp come out, my rule is: get clear where the defect could arise from
|
|
khj
Member
Posts: 1,467
|
Post by khj on Jul 30, 2023 15:32:02 GMT
The stamp looks genuine to me. The only question is if the missing light blue is a genuine color missing error, or a color changeling.
I would suggest putting both used stamps under a filtered 254nm UV light and also 365nm UV light, and also compare to a mint stamp. Tagging difference is the quickest way to spot used counterfeits that aren't tagged properly, and the 365nm is useful for spotting paper differences or chemical bleaching.
No accusations here, just suggesting checking the basics before sending it off.
Best wishes on yet another great find!!!
|
|
khj
Member
Posts: 1,467
|
Post by khj on Jul 30, 2023 15:38:58 GMT
How these stamps have been printed? light blue, red, blue and yellow? so four layers? is it? then it could be one layer is missing This booklet pane was printed in 5 color passes (including black). The plate numbers are in the format V#####, where # will correspond to each individual color plate. The black plate is the 5th #. The light blue would have been the 4th #. If genuine, then somewhere out there might be some booklet panes with the 4th plate digit missing -- that would be a really good proof of genuine. |
|
Beryllium Guy
Moderator
Posts: 5,659
What I collect: Worldwide Stamps 1840-1930
Member is Online
|
Post by Beryllium Guy on Jul 30, 2023 17:32:11 GMT
Having your honesty and integrity questioned is absolutely infuriating. I have my faults, but I am a Girl Scout when it comes to cheating or lying. I never even cheat a nickel on my taxes. My Scotch-Irish temper is steaming! Terri, please don't let some ignorant remarks get to you. As my old mom would have said, "Consider the source." Who is it that is making these comments? Is it someone who knows you well, and whose opinion and judgment you deeply respect? If not, then forget it. Plus, remember my favorite paraphrase of Occam's Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by incompetence or stupidity." I suppose we should add ignorance to the list of those possible explanations! Don't let someone else's ignorance get you down. In case you haven't noticed, in the internet age, it's everywhere, just like the misinformation and disinformation that have spawned it. OK, stepping down from my soapbox now. |
|
philatelia
Member
Captain Jack - my best kiloware find ever!
Posts: 3,408
What I collect: Ireland, Japan, Scandy, USA, Venezuela, Vatican, Bermuda, Austria
|
Post by philatelia on Jul 30, 2023 18:34:48 GMT
Beryllium Guy - Love that quote! I should frame that or embroider it and put it in my stamp den where I read it often. You always have the nicest, most soothing messages. You should have been a conflict negotiator - you have quite a talent for calming the waves. I wish I had that calm, unruffled personality that you and many others here have. My mother-in-law was like that - calm and placid as a cow. But, on the other hand, the world would be much more boring without a few hotheaded redheads to keep things lively. Ok - water under the bridge. Let’s change the channel back to the philatelic fun place, eh?
|
|
|
|
Post by daniel on Jul 30, 2023 23:37:59 GMT
Hi Terri, philatelia , looking at the other forum, I would suggest that the booklet shown with varying degrees of missing light blue, mentioned there as ink starvation, is probably the answer. At some point, further along the printing process, it seems likely that the poorly inked light blue will run out in one or two positions in the booklet. Positions 9 and 12 seem the most likely candidates and are on the right hand edge of the booklet as is your stamp. It would, therefore, be a dry print rather than a catalogable error. Still a good find though. Daniel |
|
.
