REL1948
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Post by REL1948 on Aug 23, 2023 17:45:47 GMT
*Announcement*
After more than 50 years in business, the owner of Unitrade Associates is retiring in November, 2024 and has put the business up for sale. It has been our pleasure serving the stamp and coin collecting community throughout the years and hope that we have left an enduring legacy with our quality products and one-of-a-kind customer service. Thank you for your patronage.
I stumbled across this announcement earlier this morning and have been trying to get more information. Am I late for the party? Has this already been discussed in another thread? I looked but couldn't find one. I'm trying to find out more about the publishing side of the company to see if this will affect future catalogue production? I'd love to hear more about this if any of you have more information. Rob
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Post by kasvik on Oct 7, 2023 11:13:01 GMT
Posts from REL1948 hdm1950 and dgdecker about Unitrade finally got through my thick skull. What is it? Canadian or global catalogue? Its website stresses overt politics more than I'm used to:Brief History/Summary This postage stamp identifier was created because of the many changes in the world in relation to postage stamps since the various similar reference works by other publishers were compiled. For beginning collectors, identifying the issuing authorities for the stamps they have in their possession is more important than the political decision to ignore the existence of countries comprising a formidable percentage of the world population. Because of these political decisions, some of the major publishers of world stamp catalogues are obliged to ignore the stamps issued by some countries, hence their identifiers do not include these postage stamps. An attempt has been made to include the bona fide stamps of these countries and their overprints.Huh? Obscure to this neophyte. Looks like a dig at Scott or Michel. What are they trying to say?
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angore
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Post by angore on Oct 7, 2023 11:27:59 GMT
I believe they are referencing Scott's prior policy based upon political and other considerations to not list certain countries such as those on the Arabian pennisula (e.g, Trucial States and Yemen revolutionary governments). Scott has started to add some of these as of late. Michel has had a more liberal listing policy.
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hdm1950
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Post by hdm1950 on Oct 7, 2023 11:58:01 GMT
Huh? Obscure to this neophyte. Looks like a dig at Scott or Michel. What are they trying to say? Political speak for sure and I have no idea where that comes from. Unitrade for me is the go to catalogue for Canada and Provinces stamps. They use Scott numbering but with many varieties added in.
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renden
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Post by renden on Oct 7, 2023 16:28:39 GMT
My 2024 Unitrade is ordered for Nov or December.from StampWright....we will see after what happens to our Canadian Cat ? René Note from StampWright received by e-mail in his offer for the 2024 Canada Specialized Unitrade Cat: Could this be the last Unitrade Canadian Stamp Catalogue ever? I think that is extremely unlikely but Unitrade recently sent out this email:
"It’s sad to announce that this will be our last year publishing the Unitrade Canadian Stamp Catalogue. As many of you already know, Gino wants to retire, so 2024 will be our last year. In the meantime, we are operating as per usual this year, and so we decided one more run with the catalogues under our wing!"
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REL1948
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Post by REL1948 on Oct 7, 2023 16:50:44 GMT
I've been in touch recently with the Editor of the Unitrade Catalogue, Robin Harris. We have him scheduled for a British Empire Study Group presentation in March of 2024. I learned during our conversations that the Editing side of the company is completely separate from the Publishing side and not part of any decision making regarding production. The Brand is in Limbo for now and will end unless someone steps up and buys the Brand. Robin is poised to continue as Editor should that happen. I've seen his presentation for the Royal in Canada and it's a fascinating journey from the product of 15 years ago to what it's become, thanks to the passion and diligence of the sole Editor all these years, Robin Harris. I hope you all get a chance to see it next March. Rob
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Post by JeffS on Oct 7, 2023 18:33:12 GMT
Thanks for the update.
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angore
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Post by angore on Oct 8, 2023 11:43:53 GMT
There is where the premier stamp organization steps in to purchase the brand.
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Post by dgdecker on Oct 9, 2023 15:59:40 GMT
Not sure if I understand any of the comment on this thread. Unitrade has been my go to for Canadian Stamps since I started collecting. Seemed logical to have a Canadian publisher for Canadian content. One of the few instances where the Scott numbering system was used by a non Scott company. It will be interesting to see if a new publisher can be found. Can there be a profit potential for a publisher?
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Post by DrewM on Oct 9, 2023 18:53:13 GMT
Unitrade's somewhat confusing statement is neither "political speak" or "overt politics". It's about stamps -- and, in fact, it rejects using politics to determine which stamps to include in a catalogue. Don't read into it the opposite of what it means. The confusion is partly due to the very confusing wording of the statement, including Unitrade's unfortunate claim that omitting junk stamps from catalogues like Scott was "politics" which it wasn't. Scott believed it was leaving out stamps that actually weren't real stamps. That's judgement, not poltics. But maybe it's a sign of the times that people read "politics" into everything, even stamp collecting! I'm as tired of this as you probably are.
As angore said, Unitrade seems to be referring to the now very old (and no longer used for some decades) policy which Scott Publishing once briefly adopted in which they declined to list stamps of countries which were flooding the market with enormous numbers of so-called junk stamps that clearly did not meet any postal need. These stamps were intended almost exclusively to be sold to collectors, we being the "suckers" who would buy them. Most were about topics unrelated to the country that issued them -- pop stars, Disney, endless series of topicals. Every country does that once in awhile, but these stamps were nearly always about non-local topics and there were hundreds of them, most of which did not real postal use. Mongolia's repeated issuing of souvenir sheets honoring the Grateful Dead comes to mind. It really did get very very silly. Unless Mongolians really liked the Grateful Dead.
Even stranger, these stamps often weren't even available at post offices in that country. And even more amazingly, sometimes the stamps never even went to that country, being sold exclusively by stamp "agencies" elsewhere from which dealers and collectors could buy them. Think about that. Stamps issued by a country which never even were in that country. Were those really "postage stamps"?
The issues of some of these countries were once derisively referred to as "sand dunes"(!), but they included a lot more than Dubai and Sharjah and Amman. They also came from Togo and other African countries as well as some in Asia and the West Indies like the barely inhabited Grenadines islands which belong to Grenada whose stamps you'd think they would use. And perhaps elsewhere (including sometimes the U.S.!). And they still do. Flip through the Scott catalogues and you'll see massive listings of them.
To try to discourages such issues, Scott at one point adopted their "black blot" program to figuratively mark unnecessary stamps intended only for collectors. It didn't work to stop these issues. Now Scott lists them, giving therm catalogue numbers, though often literally as "lists" without images.
So I suppose what Unitrade was trying to say is that they won't omit any stamps a country issues. But neither does Scott now, either. And they haven't done this for decades -- so I'm not at all sure what Unitrade's point is.
But no politics is involved in the statement. In fact, what Unitrade say was just the opposite of politics. As I read it, they were saying that in their catalogue, they would NOT involve politics about which stamp issues were legitimate -- which isn't actually "politics." It's more judgement about what a stamp is. Catalogue publishers are not making "political" decisions, they are trying to decide which are legitimate postage stamps and which aren't. It's a fruitless business, though. I personally have no problem if Scott leaves outs the stamps from barely inhabited islands like Grenada's Grenadines or countries where the stamps never were used, but other collectors may love these "stamps," and I'm fine with that even if I think it's silly. Lots of people do things I think are really silly. I saw a video once where a fan at a baseball game was wearing his ball cap backwards -- while shading his eyes from the sun with his hand. Give that some thought.
Anyway, I hope Unitrade gets bought by someone who will continue to issue their catalogues. But if not, maybe Scott (now Amos Media) will issue their own separate Canada catalogue. This may be a great opportunity for them to do that. After all, Unitrade used Scott catalogue numbers, so unlike when the Minkus catalogues died off, there would be no problem with renumbering. Hopefully, one of these two things will happen. I'm a casual Canada collector, so I mostly rely on Scott, myself, but I do keep an older copy of Unitrade.
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Post by renden on Oct 9, 2023 20:14:10 GMT
What if of interest for me is the CANADA Specialized Stamp Cat - Canada and Provinces only - 2024 issue ordered - we shall see after -René
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Post by sudbury12000 on Dec 6, 2023 3:56:46 GMT
What if of interest for me is the CANADA Specialized Stamp Cat - Canada and Provinces only - 2024 issue ordered - we shall see after -René I think, with this news, this is going to be a very popular issue.
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