TimG
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Post by TimG on Oct 2, 2023 20:44:04 GMT
A search of this topic didn't lead me anywhere and I wasn't sure what to call this thread because there's more than one facet to it. Allow me to offer this background.
Awhile back I had offered some stamp mounts for trade and david took me up on it. He wanted to get rid of some of his duplicates and I had a mess of stamp mounts to offer in exchange. He sent me pictures of the stamps he had which I selected from and then he began mailing them.
After receiving his first envelope which had about 80 stamps packaged into a greeting card (I wondered what that was all about), I began looking into mailing my mounts and discovered the complexities of international mail (which David also did).
I made my first trip to the post office, with a business size envelope holding a couple of packages of stamp mounts surrounded by card stock and weighing less than 50 g. I wanted to keep the postage cost at a similar rate to what David had paid. So, I asked the clerk, "What will this cost?" and the first question the clerk asked me was, ""What's in there?" I said, "stamp collecting stuff." "Well," she responded, that will have to go parcel because it's not documents. Suddenly the cost went from $3.88 to a minimum of $11+ and that would take 5-8 weeks via truck and ship. "And if I said it was just documents?' I inquired. "Well then, she replied, "You risk customs returning it and you losing the postage." Now I am generally quite law abiding, but there are some rules that seem to me to stretch reason.
I went home, repackaged the letter so that it had "documents," and also stamp mounts and returned the next day, prepared to mail it, only to find out that the Post Office was closed for one of those new Canadian holidays intended to have us address our collective guilt (and not for illegally mailing stamp mounts).
Today, I went back to the post office and planned to put some nice commemorative Canadian stamps on that letter with a decent postmark. I handed the letter to a different clerk. He looked like he was having a bad day and he quickly took the letter, weighed it, shoved it through the appropriate test slots and then proceeded to print of the mailing label. I said, "My friend is a stamp collector and I would like some nice Canadian stamps placed on that envelope." His response was, "You'd have to buy five or six packs of stamps to do that." I realized by his verbal and non-verbal cues that even if I could manage to figure out what stamps I would need for that letter, he was in no mood to accommodate me since he had already printed off the label. So my TSF colleague has to put up with one of those artificial postal payment markers and I need to figure out what stamps I could put on an envelope to cover the $3.88 Canadian for a less than 50g letter to Belgium.
Perhaps you have some experiences with mailing things or with the post office in general. I would like to hear about that. If you have some advice for mailing stamps or stamp stuff, I'd welcome that too. In particular, if you're from Canada, have you ever sent a letter to Europe or elsewhere and used stamps. What Canadian stamps today would amount to $3.88?
In advance, thank you for your responses.
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vikingeck
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What I collect: Samoa, Tobacco theme, Mail in Wartime, anything odd and unusual!
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Post by vikingeck on Oct 2, 2023 21:44:27 GMT
Don't know about Canada, but it is easy to accumulate loads of mint GB Commems from 1972 to about 1990, acquired at a fraction of the current face value. All my mail goes out with 4 or 5 stamps to make the current rates of £1.25 inland or £2.20 overseas > I just mix and match from my stockpile to get the right amount. There's no law that says you cant put a dozen stamps on to make the rate . I suggest you get into the habit of keeping a pile of stamps available, and pre stamping before you go to the Post I'm often in my local PO two or three times in a week . Such is my relationship with the team, they smile and chat, check the weight, whilst typing up proof of mailing and just accept that I have the right value on board. Going out tomorrow 4 letters (All contain stamps on card)
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hdm1950
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What I collect: I collect world wide up to 1965 with several specialty albums added due to volume of material I have acquired. At this point I am focused on Canada and British America. I am always on the lookout for stamps and covers with postmarks from communities in Queens County, Nova Scotia. I do list various goods including stamps occasionally on eBay as hdm50
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Post by hdm1950 on Oct 2, 2023 22:25:42 GMT
Like you TimG I consider myself to be an honest person but must admit I have cheated for years and probably 100’s of times when it comes to mailing non document items by letter mail. I have sold souvenir spoons, vintage pens/mechanical pencils, coins/tokens, Zippo lighters etc.. on eBay and sent them in envelopes surrounded by cereal box cardboard. I have never had one returned by the post office. I do use non Canada Post outlets who ask less questions. If asked if they are documents I say yes. I see jail in my future. Like Alex , I use old postage with multiple stamps when I have them. I never thought I would ever run out of stock but I have been selling more than I expected of late so I am down to a few hundred .01 to.05 stamps. Looks like I will be buying postage till another pile of higher value ones land in my lap.
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Post by nick2302 on Oct 3, 2023 13:27:59 GMT
Many times I have gone to the Post Office to mail stamps someone purchased from me off of STAMPS2GO. I always ask the clerk before I turn over the envelope that the envelop contains stamps and I would appreciate their using real stamps and not a meter. Of course, I do have one horror story. I went to the PO with a large envelope of stamps and mounts and etc, to send to STAMPS FOR THE WOUNDED. The clerk suggested I put my neatly addressed enevelope as it was quite heavy and expensive to mail. The clerk encouraged me to use one of the USPO large envelopes and gave me a slip of paper and said put your address on this. So like an idiot I put MY ADDRESS. NOT the address I was shipping to. So, I paid $9.90us! The next day I opened my post office box and this envelope came out opened and all the stamps were pouring out of the envelope I had originally put them in and placed inside the USPO envelope, because someone cut my addressed enevelope up both sides. And opened the Post Office envelope as well. They clearly looked through the stamps because there were less supplies in there than I sent. Not sure about the stamps as there were quite a few. So, make a long sad story short I now have to remake an envelope and go back to the PO and attempt to re-send the envelope. So, no matter how careful you think you are there is something that if it can go wrong, it will go wrong. Nick
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dorincard
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What I collect: My focus is on Wild Mammals on maximum cards. Occasionally, I get or create maximum cards with other animals, or any other topic.
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Post by dorincard on Oct 3, 2023 16:46:01 GMT
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Linda
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Ex-mathematician turned visual artist and touring cyclist to bike across Canada, Europe, Japan etc.
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What I collect: Mostly Canadian and European stamps about art / science / landscape
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Post by Linda on Oct 4, 2023 12:53:47 GMT
Canada Post's definition of 'document' is rather fluid. In my case, sometimes it's in the packaging that uses non-paper-based material, for instance bubble paper for protection or canvas panel as stiffener, but so long as the main content of the mail is document-based, I wouldn't feel guilty for including non-document in the lettermail. And like hdm1950 , sometimes I mail non-paper-based stuff, including acrylic keychain and wooden postcards, as lettermail from my hometown Montreal. I have never gotten mail returned to me by the custom. I find that so long as the item is within the maximal dimensions allowed (2cm thickness), custom wouldn't give me so much trouble. As for buying stamps at the same time as mailing items -- I have the impression that a lot of young clerks don't know how postage stamps work and what they represent. It happened to me once that I brought a cover that was franked with a lot but sufficient postage stamps to the counter, and the clerk had difficulty adding digits literally printed on the stamps using a calculator to verify the postage. If you want your cover to be franked with stamps, it's best that you weight the mail at home (with a kitchen electric balance for instance) and figure out the stamp combination yourself before showing up at the post office. And while there, it's better to ask to buy stamps first (don't tell the clerk yet that you are going to send a mail), and once you have the products in your hand, you then affix X number of stamps on the cover and hand the whole thing to the clerk for postmarking. This way you can make sure that the cover is franked with proper postage stamps instead of a label. According to my experience, it's not necessarily laziness that makes the clerk unwilling to deal with stamps, but rather, it's that a lot of time they don't know how to handle stamps -- how to add up number, how much facial value a 'Permanant' stamp represents, etc. The staff at the 2 post offices I go to frequently all know me fairly well. They know that I usually calculate the postage at home, and want the cover to bear a postmarking (that's why I bring the cover to the counter, instead of dropping it into the postbox). And they usually trust me on that I had done a good job at the calculation, so all they do is to postmark (or one of them would allow me to postmark it myself) the cover, then put the mails in the box. No reweighing or verification is necessary. I found that mails that I post this way -- without a second verification -- passed through easily even when my mail weights 1 or 2 grams extra. It's never been returned to me. Also, you can buy recent postage stamps on Canada Post's webshop.
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TimG
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Post by TimG on Oct 5, 2023 20:50:54 GMT
This is just a followup to my original thread/post. Today I headed off to another Canada Post outlet and this clerk, an international herself, was quite helpful in providing me with stamps to cover the postage to Belgium. Even though I did have to put on a little extra postage on the letter, not having any small denominations hanging around, I was quite happy to do this. She even allowed me to postmark the letter - setting it up and allowing me practice so the postmarker (is that what you call it?) was functioning perfectly and I gave that letter a nice clean stamp of approval. It's the first time I've ever done that. However, after I had postmarked the letter I wondered whether I had done it "right." Is there a thread on how to best postmark a stamp? Anyway, kudos to this postal clerk!
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Post by david on Oct 7, 2023 8:13:49 GMT
I would like to share my experiences as well with shipping national and international. I live in Belgium so the rules are a bit different here.
In my honest opinion it really makes a big difference which postal clerk is helping you. Some are really helpfull while others have little feeling with a stamp collector.
With some international sendings they produced a metered label is because the post office asked if it was just a one time use or that i would send more. Because i said it was just for one enveloppe they produced a metered label. After another visit a friendly postal clerk made a remark about the content of the enveloppe. I had placed the stamps in two little bags which felt a bit lumpy. She said this would not pass through the control and would be rejected. She then gave the enveloppe back with a leaflet explaining the rules about national and international sending.
In Belgium there are two options for international shipping: - normalized post which may way 0 - 50g and will cost 2.87 euro this enveloppe can maximum weigh 50 gram and only be 5mm thick while the size of the enveloppe can be a maximum of 125 * 235 mm - non normalized post starts from 0 - 100 gram and will cost then a minimum of 8,61 euro. this enveloppe can maximum weigh 100 gram and be 30 mm thick while the enveloppe can have a maximum size of 230 * 350 mm
So for me it is sometimes cheaper to send several enveloppes with a lower weight then 50 gram as long as the content feels like a postcard and has no weird lumps on the surface :-)
Another strange thing in Belgium is the use of old stamps for sending letters national (not sure if it also works international). Since 2001 we use the euro and is printed that way on the stamps ofcourse. Belgium is one off the few European countries that still allows to use of old stamps with the Belgian Frank on them. They are still valid till the 1st of january 2028. So what this means is that people send you an enveloppe with stamps from 30 years ago and calculate themself on the enveloppe the value in euro. This way they show the stamps are equally to stamps with euro on them.
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angore
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Post by angore on Oct 7, 2023 11:17:19 GMT
At my local post office, if the letter will fit through their gauge (not a package or look like a package containing something of vaiue) they do not seem to care. When I mailed something in a letter to Canada, I asked do I need to fill out a customs form they said if you like but did not require it. Since we have been told stamps are worthless, there is no value to consider. On another shipment that looked like a package, I sent some family memorabilia to my sister who defected to Canada and just put some low value number (pictures, trinkets). I think by UPU official rules, you would need to consider a stamp of any value as merchandise but if you used the same stamp to mail the letter, it would not get counted! Mystic Stamp that would sell a forever stamp for premium well above face but they could use the same stamp on the envelope to mail it to you!
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