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Post by gillian on Oct 7, 2023 21:19:18 GMT
Not sure if this is the right place for this, but here goes.
Over the years I had a lot of trouble with hinges hardening, then someone sent me a packet of hinges, which were great and didn't harden, ;Around about the same time i saw a message giving the hint of storing stamp hinges n a metal box. I don't remember who sent me the hinges, but they were great and lasted until I ran out of them recently.
Now that I've run out of hinges, I don't know where to get more, or what brand to get. Any thoughts?
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Post by renden on Oct 7, 2023 21:29:16 GMT
I have the old ones from the 60s (Dennison 1000 for 25¢) - they do not stick that much and leave just a Light Hinge remnant - but I do not hinge stamps in 2023
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Post by hdm1950 on Oct 8, 2023 0:08:10 GMT
Not sure if this is the right place for this, but here goes. Over the years I had a lot of trouble with hinges hardening, then someone sent me a packet of hinges, which were great and didn't harden, ;Around about the same time i saw a message giving the hint of storing stamp hinges n a metal box. I don't remember who sent me the hinges, but they were great and lasted until I ran out of them recently. Now that I've run out of hinges, I don't know where to get more, or what brand to get. Any thoughts? The hinges most popular today are vintage ones by Dennison. They are popular enough that packages of 1000 are selling for over 25.00 on eBay. Check there and you will see them being offered at most any time sometimes at fixed prices and sometimes in the auction format.
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Post by DrewM on Oct 9, 2023 20:39:54 GMT
I've read a number of places that all hinges today are made by one manufacturer in Europe. They're sold under various brands but they are all supposedly from the same factory which makes them all the same hinges. To test this claim out, I purchased a packet of every major stamp hinge I could find for sale, even obscure brands, and mounted stamps using a dozen or more of each brand on an album page. After a few days, I then removed each of them.
Verdict: All hinges sold today not only look the same, they behave the same. All the hinges -- every single one -- tore the album page or left a very obvious hinge mark in exactly the same way. And they tore the back of the (old, cheap) stamps I used them on. There was no "better" brand among all of them. So, it does seem as if all modern brands of stamp hinges are the same hinges. And they are very aggressive, doing damage to album pages and to stamps.
Older hinges (like Dennison's which are no longer made) used a less aggressive adhesive which removed much more easily and did not tear the stamp or the album page. Too bad they're no longer made.
If you must use modern hinges, I suggest two things:
1. Consider cutting them in half vertically as you use them. A bit tiresome, but this reduces the damage if you need to remove them. And since the glue is aggressive, they will still hold the stamp on the album page well. AND you get more hinges that way!
2. Try to use less moisture. It's not easy to do, and I haven't mastered this very well, but if you can moisten lightly or moisten less of the hinge, it will be at least a little less damaging if you need to remove it later. Doing #1 above is one way to use less moisture on a hinge, of course. One technique I use with hinges is after moistening (licking, usually), I wait a bit and maybe wave it in the air for a few seconds to dry it a little. That might help by evaporating some of the moisture -- but I haven't really tested this to be sure. And, yes, you will look silly, but what can you do . . . ?
Stamp mounts which most collectors use today cost at least $0.06 each (or slightly more) to use. That's a package with 22 strips from which you cut 4 mounts from each strip (88 mounts, perhaps a little more) for about $6.00 a package.
On the other hand, a packet of 1,000 modern hinges costing about $4.00 works out to less than 1/2 a cent per hinge ($0.004) per stamp, a fraction of the cost of stamp mounts. BUT if the hinges damage your stamps, what is the point? I mean, you might as well use scotch tape if you're cheap and don't care about damaging your stamps.
(Don't tell anyone, but there now is Scotch removable double-sided tape that might be worth experimenting with. I wonder . . . . In fact, I'm currently experimenting with a page of cheap stamps mounted with this tape over a year ago to see if the adhesive migrates into the page or into the stamp, or if the tape stains or otherwise damages the stamp, and if the tape really removable after a few years, and so on. We'll see, but so far, so good. However, no, I do not recommend this. Tape is generally very bad for stamps. And who knows how "neutral" the adhesive is? But you might also want to try your own test page of stamps mounted this way to see what you find. If you do, be very sure you use the "removable" version of this tape, not the "permanent" type. They look similar but one you can't remove later. Imagine doing that to your stamps!)
Finding old Dennison's on Ebay is not impossible, but expect to pay $25-30 currently for just one package, as unbelievable as that is. That's close to $0.03 a hinge which isn't so much less than the cost of a stamp mount. And it's a great deal more than modern stamp hinges. But the mount will protect the stamp a lot better and may make your album pages look better, as well.
In my albums, I hinge early stamps that have already been hinged. That's usually to "around" the 1920s or 1930s. But I use stamp mounts for all later stamps -- and for all mint unhinged stamps of whatever year. Any really valuable stamps, including really early ones, also go into a mount just to be a good caretaker. So most of my country collections are about 25% hinged at the beginning of the album and then all the rest are in mounts. In fact, sometimes I feel as if I'm personally keeping mount-manufacturers in business!
Cheers! Have fun.
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Post by rod222 on Oct 9, 2023 23:18:51 GMT
Hi Gillian, this is a personal approach to hinging, that I employ, and have for years. 1. I do not understand your hinges "Hardening" can you explain? 2. I hinge over 5000 stamps a year These are the hinges I use, available on ebay, I try to buy at around $5 per 1000 Now: the BIG IMPORTANT thing that is a caveat with these. Slobber or wet lick these hinges, will result in disaster, the hinge cementing itself to the stamp and the page ripped stamps and pages result. The trick is simple, you need to (with practice) barely moisten the hinge gum, so the gum is just malleable (tacky) This takes some expertise, you almost feel like the gum is dry and the stamp will fall off, it won't. If you perfect this regime, your stamps should be peelable, by stamp tongs. Try perhaps first dabbing a barely moist finger on the hinge I use inside of my lip Once perfected, you'll wonder what the fuss was all about PS: Depending on your environment, these hinges will begin to curl, some drastically, (Humidity) I pick up a curled lot of 10 or so, in my pointy tongs, lengthwise, and fold over one leg of the tongs (so they are creased lengthwise) this straightens them easily, and makes it easy to pick up each individual hinge with a dab of the finger.
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Post by sudbury12000 on Oct 10, 2023 16:38:19 GMT
Thank you all for this information. I hinged for many years without thinking of the damage they may cause. When I started buying old collections, I found out. Some hinges from the past held up well, many did not. I have even found the use of selvedge for a hinge. I was lucky that my father in the 60's stopped hinging Mint stamps, and that practice stuck with me. I have even stopped hinging stamps with a CV of over £5 and use mounts for my albums. I had an old dealer tell me never remove a hinge from a mint stamp or I will cry. Only took one mistake for me to learn. For my non valuable stamps I use 'Dennisen' brand. If you have to remove they come off fairly easily when dry, off of used stamps. For older stamps with hinges I will soak, make sure the stamp does not have fugitive ink, or use my stamp lift. I use the stamp lift on Mint stamps with hinges; there is an art to it so best to practice on stamps of little or no value. I have found in old collections packs of "Dennison" hinges and they are still the best I have found. But will try the Prinz to see how they are. Similar price to the Dennisen, note the slight change in spelling, maybe that was done on purpose.....
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Post by madbaker on Oct 10, 2023 17:23:11 GMT
For my non valuable stamps I use 'Dennisen' brand. ... I have found in old collections packs of "Dennison" hinges and they are still the best I have found. But will try the Prinz to see how they are. Similar price to the Dennisen, note the slight change in spelling, maybe that was done on purpose.....
You're right, the change in spelling is intentional. The good, old hinges are 'Dennison' with an 'o'.
The hinges with the 'e' (Dennisen) are new, manufactured by a US dealer (Subway Stamp Shop?) They did a bunch of research and tried to work with the Avery Company (who owned the rights to Dennison) to reproduce the glassine and gum used in the classic hinges.
I have some of the new Dennisens and they aren't much different than any other modern hinge in my experience. Which is sad, because I think they tried very, very hard over several years to crack the code on this.
It's tragic that there isn't enough profit to keep these things going, much like Polaroid film, water activated stamps or, heck, postage stamps themselves!
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Post by rod222 on Oct 11, 2023 0:03:53 GMT
DENNISON HINGES CANADA Be aware the genuine Dennison hinges, appear in a least 5 differing packaging designs from their factory in Bowman Ontario Canada Revenue Perfin of the Dennison Company (Dennison Manufacturing Co)
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Post by nick2302 on Oct 17, 2023 15:22:41 GMT
I learned long ago to spend the money on Showgard mounts. I use the clear type but they have the black available as well. My expensive stamps (now please don't laugh, cause I am cheap) anything over 2.50 I would never hinge no matter what. I have purchased stamps advertised as MNH only to find a hinge mark on the back of the stamp which irritates me to no end. My experience with hinges has been a big NO vote. Nick
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Post by viking1234 on Nov 24, 2023 20:18:22 GMT
I use mounts for my collections, I have seen old collections with mounts that had accid in the gum and damagede the stamps. I know today the hinges is acid free. I always had trouble with hinges espicially when buying stamps on papper, collectors seems to place the hinges which make no sense to me, that means sometime i tear the stamp instead of getting it of the pages they are attached to.
Hinges is smart when setting up sales pages as long as the stamps is postmarked, do not use hinges at MNH stamps it is a no go.
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Post by djcmh on Nov 24, 2023 20:50:29 GMT
This is one of the main reasons why I switched to Vario pages for my collections. No hinges or mounts to worry about. The other was greater flexibility in arranging collections, easily able to work in variants not shown on pre-printed album pages.
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Post by doug534 on Jul 16, 2024 19:02:19 GMT
Among my dad's philatelic materials (in storage since 1957) is a carton of about 60 unopened packages of these hinges. I haven't opened a package to try out the hinges yet, but I do plan to eventually mount at least a few stamps in a display case or two for wall mounting. I'm still deciding about how to deal with a collection in an album, if I decide to go that route as well. Clearly, I will have packages of hinges to get rid of. I'll post here again if they are still good.
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Post by philatelia on Jul 16, 2024 19:18:23 GMT
doug534 - if those hinges are the old fashioned types that are genuinely peelable then you have a little treasure there! I’ve seen the old Dennison hinges sell for $25.00 for a pack of 1,000 on EBay. The new ones use a different adhesive that adheres too strongly. I’ve read that there was an ingredient used back then that is now unavailable or banned. Try testing them - hinge a few zucchinis ( lol - my silly word for common, low value stamps). Let them dry for a few days to a week. Then see if they peel off without damaging the stamp in any way. Let us know what happens please! Just noticed that they were manufactured in Niles, Michigan, not far from where I grew up.
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Post by hdm1950 on Jul 16, 2024 21:30:24 GMT
doug534 As Terri mentioned these older hinges are in demand. I just looked on eBay and I see this brand in the yellow envelopes are selling in the 20.00 to 40.00 Canadian range. I still hinge a lot and I am using up opened packages like you have. Dennison is the popular one but yours are great as well.
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Post by JeffS on Jul 16, 2024 21:40:57 GMT
I have discovered that the much-maligned hinges of a more permanent nature have a use for me in mounting stamps in mounts. The easy-peelers don't seem to have the strength to secure a stamp in a mount.
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Post by madbaker on Jul 16, 2024 23:24:07 GMT
I'm using a pack of Fold-o-Hinges these days and I like them quite a bit. Alas, it's my last pack. The recent pack (different brand) I bought last year are brutal. They stick so much I can't separate the hinges from each other before I weld them onto a stamp!
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Post by salentin on Jul 17, 2024 9:34:15 GMT
The description of the FOLD-O-HINGES very much makes me think of the notorious "Schon-Falze" of Germany. They came on the market in 1938,by Joesph de Hesselle. "Easy to apply and easy to remove !" That was correct.However after some time (years) some substance of the gum started to move into the paper of the stamps. That caused stains,like spots of grease.Later those even could alter the printing-ink. Many stamps were damaged,un-repairable,in most cases.
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Post by paul1 on Jul 17, 2024 11:53:08 GMT
the effect that salentin describes - "stains, like spots of grease and unrepairable etc., moving into the stamp" - is a very similar effect that is produced when using Sellotape instead of a proper hinge. Albums belonging to young adults - who have used Sellotape in place of real stamp hinges - usually have a few stamps that have ended up looking like this, with spots and stains that appear much like a heavy grease mark, and it's true indeed that this totally ruins the stgamp.
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Post by philatelia on Jul 17, 2024 15:50:22 GMT
Here’s an example of the damage caused by the "Schon-Falze" hinges that salentin and paul1 describe. The stain is visible from the front, too. Nasty hinges!
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Post by gillian on Jul 27, 2024 13:18:52 GMT
Wow, such a lot of replies to my post. Thank you for all the advice and tips. Sorry I didn't get back sooner to read and reply to them. I have been very busy with family stuff, which has left me little time for phiiately-related activity. The problem I had with my hinges at one point was that they were sticking together and hardening, making it impossible to separate them, but i was able to prevent that happening with other hinges by storing them in an empty After Eights tin. Since sending my post I found some more hinges in an envelope, which so far are ok. Although there are not as many stamps coming my way, following the passing of my husband two years ago, there are still a lot waiting to be removed from their envelopes, which will keep me busy for a long time to come.
Gillian
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Post by ken44 on Sept 3, 2024 23:26:09 GMT
There may still be a use for gummed hinges in modern stamp collecting. Self adhesive stamps are mounted by some collectors with the adhering cover attached but cut close to the perforations. Using a hinge in this situation will not harm the stamp at all. A downside might be that one's overall collection include both old style hinges and modern showgard type hinges. Saves money which can buy more stamps also. Just a thought.
Seems to me , for those who leave the cover attached on SA stamps the back of the stamp becomes almost irrelevant. I am new to this so I may have overlooked something.
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