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Post by 57buick on Oct 20, 2023 4:15:55 GMT
Obviously not this particular lot in the pictures but being new to the hobby I have to ask. What makes a postmark or cancellation collectible? Partly I'm asking when do you decide to soak and remove a stamp to fill a spot in your album versus saving a nice postmark or cancellation and just displaying those complete in a postmark album? I bought a huge lot of stamps at a garage sale and it included hundreds of these
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Oct 20, 2023 7:38:24 GMT
Every collector will have differing opinion. It will be up to the individual. My Hierachy Mint stamp cover Indicia slogan (decent) Postmark Used stamp Using you image for example I'd keep the slogans (Just one of the West Point) Soak the US footprint pmks Soaking ONLY the stamps that are to go to an album Only clear readable postmarks on modern mail Save Postmarks on very early stamps These can be valuable But only time will make you feel comfortable on what you have the space to collect and the time. Try to adopt a feeling that you are a caretaker of Philatelic material. Australian Postmark values (minimum of $4 a stamp) Don't be afraid to collect the ripped and torn
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Post by gstamps on Oct 20, 2023 13:50:56 GMT
Hi 57buickFrom the point of view of the postmark value, be careful first of all: - the period before 1900 - the WWI period and immediately after, WW2 - old German states - German colonies -air transport, zeppelin, sea, train - cities in isolated areas with very few inhabitants. I am a collector of German stamps and therefore my criteria are reduced to this field. There are many catalogs for postmarks (difficult and expensive to procure), but you can ask for the help of forum members. I only have 2 catalogs (thanks to PostmasterGS's gift):
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Post by vikingeck on Oct 20, 2023 16:51:02 GMT
. What makes a postmark or cancellation collectible? Partly I'm asking when do you decide to soak and remove a stamp to fill a spot in your album versus saving a nice postmark or cancellation and just displaying those complete in a postmark album? Postmarks are collectable for their interest beyond the stamp itself, and sometimes the postmark value is much more than the stamp You would be advised to keep if 1. they are clearly readable .especially "Socked on the nose" 2. come from small obscure or unusual post offices (many long closed down for economy) some of these are Rare RRR 3. Have an interesting date of use , eg First day of use 4. are accompanied by a complete illustration or a slogan 5. Older stamps often had a killer cancel with a number assigned to the town so numeral postmarks are a whole collecting field , Similarly with US "Fancy Cancels" again sometimes rare Common cancels from major towns and Cities generally have little interest and can be safely soaked
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hdm1950
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What I collect: I collect world wide up to 1965 with several specialty albums added due to volume of material I have acquired. At this point I am focused on Canada and British America. I am always on the lookout for stamps and covers with postmarks from communities in Queens County, Nova Scotia. I do list various goods including stamps occasionally on eBay as hdm50
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Post by hdm1950 on Oct 20, 2023 17:05:55 GMT
57buick it is nice to see you are noticing postmarks so early into your stamp collecting life. To be honest I had been collecting for decades before I started paying much attention to cancels other than wanting to avoid stamps that had very heavy obliterations. Now later in life I am much more aware of postmarks. When going through old collections these days I will often upgrade common used stamps in my world wide collection with ones with a nicer readable cancel. My advice at this early stage for you going through your box of stuff is that if it appeals to you keep it. Fellow members that are more philatelists than me as an accumulator have given you excellent advice on this thread as well.
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Post by peter on Oct 21, 2023 1:30:56 GMT
57buick , the decision regarding what is collectable is defined by you. The examples in your photograph are clearly the remnants of someone else's decision about what they considered collectable. The study and collection of postmarks, cancellations and postal markings, marcophily or marcophilately, is a field of philately in and of itself, and as such every postmark is potentially of value. As there is only so much space, money and effort that you can pour into this, I recommend saving / collecting what interests you and build on that. This could be postmarks linked to a single place, era or theme. Your photograph shows that the previous owner cut out his postmarks in the classic collecting style of 2x4-inch cutouts. Collecting today, I recommend keeping the entire cover as the cutouts remove crucial information, such as where the cover was sent and how it was handled. In larger post offices with multiple machines, this extra information could identify machines used only for local or international mail, or which handled 'other' items (such as mail that wouldn't fit in the conventional machines, or which may have had a stamp applied in a non-conventional location). Generally, albums are not great storage options in this field, especially if you start collecting large numbers (I have thousands). I prefer keeping my collection in small boxes (shoe boxes are great). As some of the previous replies show, there are catalogues for postmarks. Reading these for the areas that interest you can give you a huge headstart on what to look out for, to recognise the rare and unusual! They can be expensive, so start by ordering from the library. I grab catalogues and monographs on my interest area from auctions when they come available.
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Post by nick2302 on Oct 21, 2023 15:29:36 GMT
I would keep the West Point ones. The rest are nothing all that special. Now if find one with what is called "Sock on the nose cancel" and the cancel is not smeared and unreadable keep those as is. You could still mount that in your album next to a single version of that same stamp. A SON is smacked dabbed on top of the stamp and clear. Those I would get interested in. Best of luck on you new hobby. You will learn a lot and spend some enjoyable hours. You will run into questions you know where to come to find answers on the TSF as there literally hundreds of collectors with lots of knowledge. As you seem to be starting out with US you can get the section of the latest US SCOTT catalog at scottcataloguepages.com/. That way you don't have to buy a whole catalog for just one country. Stop in and let us know how you are doing. Nick
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Post by rex on Oct 21, 2023 18:50:12 GMT
I would keep all of those posted, if the postmark is clear I won't soak anything. A dedicated album will give you pleasure in the future.
Cancellations are a postal imprint that will not recur the next day. Save them.
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Post by nick2302 on Oct 25, 2023 15:56:01 GMT
I have all by hand made albums and storage. If, on the VERY rare instance I see a postmark that is interesting or carries on the theme of the stamp I clip the whole thing and put it in a showgard mount and put them in my album. Now if the stars align and the whole envelope carries a theme that relates to the stamp Then I keep the whole front of the envelope. (Talk about rarely !!!). But lightening can strike every once in a while. Just enjoy and do what you think best. Its your stamp collection and there are no stamp collector police, so do what you want and just enjoy and relax with your stamps. Nick
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Post by rod222 on Oct 26, 2023 1:24:41 GMT
The Pros and Cons of Postmark collecting.
With any discipline in Philately, one could write reams of opinions, experiences and journeys. This is just a "101"
Pros 1. Postmark collecting is fun, you learn about cancelling hammers, indicia, types, geography, history.
2. It can be mind boggling in profitability, not unlike gold prospecting.
Cons. 1. You need to specialise in one or two countries only. 2. Those countries need a vibrant history of postmark auctioneering. 3. There is high expense in Reference material, a collector is useless without it. 4. The collector needs to have high expertise in image archiving and research ability. 5. Time and research is required, auction catalogues need constant inspection. 6. Any given stamp / collection, album etc, (think about it) has been through (possibly) tens to hundreds of collectors hands, before arriving at your desk. Every stamp has been most probably scrutinied, for every variety, postmark, perforation ad nauseum.
The result is not going to successful most times.
The only things in your favour is your reference material, and your passion and persistance
Here is an example of the Australian (Victoria) Postmarks reserves, Auction 22nd September 2023 The results when successful. ( May add, those in the US would have more success, in finding Aussie Pmks, than us at home) Eyewatering!
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Post by Statesman Stamper on Oct 26, 2023 9:30:13 GMT
Here is an example of the Australian (Victoria) Postmarks reserves, Auction 22nd September 2023 The results when successful. ( May add, those in the US would have more success, in finding Aussie Pmks, than us at home) Eyewatering! Rod,
Funny you should mention Victorian postmarks. I came across this lovely example a couple days ago while working through the box of off paper I mentioned in my thread under WW.
From the "down under" forum I see that 481 is listed as Stringer's Creek, now Walhalla.
Dale
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