dorincard
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Post by dorincard on Nov 16, 2023 15:30:46 GMT
On a second thought: is there any stamp (valid for postage when issued) that was NEVER available in mint condition, and was NEVER postmarked in the mailstream because it did not circulate? Is there a stamp that exists only as CTO (canceled to order)? Maybe some "Sand Dune" stamps?
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rednaxela
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Post by rednaxela on Nov 16, 2023 15:40:20 GMT
On a second thought: is there any stamp (valid for postage when issued) that was NEVER available in mint condition, and was NEVER postmarked in the mailstream because it did not circulate? Is there a stamp that exists only as CTO (canceled to order)? Maybe some "Sand Dune" stamps? Some reprints of GDR official stamps, which can be distinguished from the original issues in particular by the watermark, were produced with the CTO printed on them and were intended to be used to obtain foreign currency.
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dorincard
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Post by dorincard on Nov 16, 2023 15:50:24 GMT
Which are those those GDR stamps? In particular, any fish stamps? Somebody asked how many of the 10,000 fish stamps on ATA checklist are (only) CTOs.
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rednaxela
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Post by rednaxela on Nov 16, 2023 16:33:55 GMT
Which are those those GDR stamps? In particular, any fish stamps? Somebody asked how many of the 10,000 fish stamps on ATA checklist are (only) CTOs. On this page of one of my album texts I have pointed out such stamps and their special features. In this case, not the watermark but the design of the reprints, which are (allmost) all CTO, differs from the originals.
I have no specialist knowledge of fish stamps according to ATA lists and their CTO status...
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dorincard
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Post by dorincard on Nov 17, 2023 15:09:06 GMT
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Post by khj on Nov 17, 2023 18:01:21 GMT
I would take the statement regarding that specific CTO-only Bulgaria stamp with several grains of salt.
EDIT: see my correction to this post later in this thread
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Post by khj on Nov 17, 2023 18:22:39 GMT
I walk back my post regarding the Bulgaria CTO. I misread the post you had linked to. The CTO-only Bulgarian stamp mentioned is listed in Michel as Bulgaria #2738F. Eyes getting bad (that's my excuse, and I'm sticking to it!).
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renden
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Post by renden on Nov 17, 2023 18:32:47 GMT
...I just looked at a few Eastern Countries......CCCP had a lot of CTOs, Czechoslovakia also and the list goes on if you check each Country in your WW collection.....Poland has some also - these slim corner cancels tell all !! Hungary is another one, as I am going through some Countries.......
From WIKI: Many of the countries that have issued CTO stamps are former Eastern European communist bloc nations, including Albania, East Germany, Hungary, Romania and Russia, as well as Bulgaria and Czechoslovakia.
René
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dorincard
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Post by dorincard on Nov 17, 2023 18:33:37 GMT
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rednaxela
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Post by rednaxela on Nov 17, 2023 19:09:24 GMT
The following additional information on this Bulgarian stamp and the differences in color and different years may be of interest: For the 1979 Philaserdika stamp exhibition, series of identical stamps were issued in both 1978 and 1979, differing only in color and in the years 1979/1978 and 1979/1979. Both issue dates were only a few weeks apart: the first of these series appeared on December 30, 1978, the second on January 30, 1979. In the case of the stamp of interest here a mistake was made at the time (after all, both series were probably printed almost, if not completely, in parallel): For the stamp intended for 30 January 1979 (1979/1979) in brown-carmine, which after all was identical in image to the stamp intended for 30 December (1979/1978) in blue, they did not take the correct printing plate (precisely 1979/1979) but the one for the earlier issue (1979/1978) and printed it in the color intended for 1979. In the Michel catalog, this stamp is listed as misprint # 2738F in the correct color with the wrong year (or - as you prefer, and the Michel catalog obviously prefers - correct year and wrong color...). In no case is it a reprint commissioned years later! The stamp was not intended for sale at all, but some issues remained - perhaps actually only as CTO. Enclosed for additional illustration another motif of this series in the version for 1978 and the one for 1979 (here the wrong printing plate was not used for the correct color...)
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Post by michael on Nov 17, 2023 19:10:27 GMT
I think it's wrong to ask the same question on two or more forums at the same time. Members could be wasting their time looking for answers that are already available on the other forum.
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Post by khj on Nov 17, 2023 22:19:18 GMT
In no case is it a reprint commissioned years later! The stamp was not intended for sale at all, but some issues remained - perhaps actually only as CTO. Thank you for that. I was a little puzzled by the post elsewhere stating that 1979 set was reprinted 4 years later. It threw me off, and I ended up misreading the rest of the post. But that's still my bad.
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dorincard
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Post by dorincard on Nov 17, 2023 22:38:52 GMT
I strongly disagree, Michael! ☺ As I expected, every forum (including Facebook) provided some unique examples as answers: Bulgaria, UK, GDR, Cocos Island, etc. No forum generated an exhaustive answer. "Members could be wasting their time looking for answers that are already available on the other forum." That happens every second with online searches for any subject, any question. Your answer may already be available somewhere on the net. Search, and you may find (even in a forum). I think it's wrong to ask the same question on two or more forums at the same time. Members could be wasting their time looking for answers that are already available on the other forum.
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rednaxela
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Post by rednaxela on Nov 18, 2023 10:01:15 GMT
In no case is it a reprint commissioned years later! The stamp was not intended for sale at all, but some issues remained - perhaps actually only as CTO. Thank you for that. I was a little puzzled by the post elsewhere stating that 1979 set was reprinted 4 years later. It threw me off, and I ended up misreading the rest of the post. But that's still my bad. In the USSR in particular, it was common practice in the 1940s and 1950s to reprint stamps years later. The distinction between original printing and reprinting is a science in itself. In theory, it could have been the same for the Bulgarian stamp. After all, many things were copied from the Soviet Union in the socialist countries. My examples of the CTO-only GDR service stamps are also reprints. But in the Bulgarian case it was a mistake.
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Post by salentin on Nov 19, 2023 12:52:07 GMT
The only stamp,I can think of,what was theoreticaly valid for postage,but what was intended to be sold on FDC´s only,was issued on Sept.7th,1978 in Sri Lanka (Ceylon).
However on a few FDC´s the stamp was not cancelled by error.
Such stamps were (theoreticaly) valid for postage.Of course nowbody would have used them.
Sri Lanka is a country,where all forms of corruption are a part of everyday life. So it is not surprising,that after some time mint,fully gummed stamps surfaced on the stamp market. Nowadays there are so many of these,that Michel lists mint n.h. stamps at € 3.-,while FDC´s are € 5.-.
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