blaamand
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Post by blaamand on Jan 7, 2019 16:14:33 GMT
jimwentzell - very nice postal history items you have shown us. I absolutely agree with you, so much more interesting with proper postally used stamps, telling a story. In particular for an area like Lichtenstein, for which most stamps around are made for and sold to collectors in mint condition. Absolutely beautiful stamps, but so much more fascinating with stamps that did what they were supposed to do.
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hrdoktorx
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Post by hrdoktorx on Jan 25, 2020 13:58:04 GMT
Since 2011, Liechtenstein has been issuing, once a year for the Chinese New Year, intricate cut-out blocks featuring the year's animal. The 2019 Year of the Rat issue:
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Londonbus1
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What I collect: Wonderland; 1912 Jubilee International Stamp Exhibition, London ('Ideal' Stamp, ephemera); French Cinderellas with an emphasis on Poster Stamps; Israel and Palestine Cinderellas ; Jewish National Fund Stamps, Labels and Tags; London 2010, A Festival of Stamps (anything); South Africa 1937 Coronation issue of KGVI, singles or bi-lingual pairs.
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Post by Londonbus1 on Jan 25, 2020 15:04:27 GMT
Sorted except for one attachment.
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hrdoktorx
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Post by hrdoktorx on Jan 30, 2021 17:15:07 GMT
The latest of the Chinese New Year cut-out blocks from Liechtenstein, "2020 Year of the Ox". I think we can all agree that ox had mad cow disease...
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renden
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Post by renden on Jan 30, 2021 17:58:46 GMT
Here is a used, cancelled, Liechtenstein - Sheet of 4, Scott # 471 - Aug 27, 1970 - Wolfram von Eschenbach (1170-1220), German minnesinger(poet)
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hrdoktorx
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Post by hrdoktorx on Dec 21, 2021 7:12:14 GMT
Continuing the series of Chinese Lunar Year cut-out stamps, the 2021 Year of the Tiger issue:
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hrdoktorx
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Post by hrdoktorx on Dec 27, 2022 18:41:53 GMT
The 2022 Year of the Hare die-cut souvenir sheet from Liechtenstein:
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Post by forth on Feb 28, 2023 18:09:32 GMT
A nice little FDC.
Liechtenstein, Sc356, 50rp multi-colored. Europa Issue, 1960.
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angore
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Post by angore on Apr 7, 2023 9:47:07 GMT
Liechtenstein 1 vs. 1a The postal service was operated by Austria at the time. Clearly seen in the stamp design. (source: First Issues Collectors Club)
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hrdoktorx
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Post by hrdoktorx on Dec 27, 2023 20:21:34 GMT
New cut-out stamp from Liechtenstein, showing a profile of the Vaduz castle:
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anilkhemlani
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Post by anilkhemlani on Jan 13, 2024 7:46:14 GMT
my Liechtenstein stamps in stock sheet
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rednaxela
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What I collect: Germany in all its facets since 1871 (especially German Reich used including postal statinoneries, used), USSR, Austria, Switzerland, Luxembourg, Liechtenstein, Denmark, France. I design all album pages for my collection myself and partly make them available to the general public for use.
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Post by rednaxela on Apr 7, 2024 10:00:12 GMT
Those who, like me, love the Austrian art of recess printing stamps will also enjoy a lot of stamps from Liechtenstein: many of them were produced by the Austrian State Printing Office. Here are examples of such Austrian Liechtenstein stamps from 1980 (recess and photogravure) , which are captivating in their photorealism (Michel ## 757 - 760, Scott ## 697 - 700):
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rednaxela
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What I collect: Germany in all its facets since 1871 (especially German Reich used including postal statinoneries, used), USSR, Austria, Switzerland, Luxembourg, Liechtenstein, Denmark, France. I design all album pages for my collection myself and partly make them available to the general public for use.
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Post by rednaxela on May 17, 2024 18:28:18 GMT
New cut-out stamp from Liechtenstein, showing a profile of the Vaduz castle: This issue raises several questions: what exactly is it? The official stamps of the Principality of Liechtenstein typically bear the country code "Fürstentum Liechtenstein". However, this particular stamp is labeled "Liechtenstein Post," similar to some newer crypto stamps, although there are also crypto stamps marked "Fürstentum Liechtenstein". Liechtenstein Post has been issuing what are known as collection sheets for some time now. These issues are designed by the company based on the "dieMarke.li" concept, which allows for individual personalization. Initially, these issues were printed with "Liechtenstein Post AG," and now they bear "Liechtenstein Post." However, neither the Vaduz Castle issue shown here (which in the meanwhile also has a green version) nor the "Liechtenstein Post (AG)" crypto stamps can be personalized in any way. What exactly are these issues? At least no official Liechtenstein stamps in the common sense...
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tele1962
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What I collect: Collecting Liechtenstein, King Charles the III GB and any nice stamps from around the world I like the look of
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Post by tele1962 on Jul 5, 2024 13:49:10 GMT
After much thought and deliberation and being a Newbie to the hobby Lichtenstein ticks all the boxes as one of my Stamp Collecting interests. So any tips or advice would be greatly appreciated.
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fazeman
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Post by fazeman on Jul 5, 2024 23:04:46 GMT
During WWII, Liechtenstein issued stamps that reflected its cultural heritage. This 1943 commemorative set represents the reclamation of land for suitable agriculture. Scott: 192-195 A129
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rednaxela
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What I collect: Germany in all its facets since 1871 (especially German Reich used including postal statinoneries, used), USSR, Austria, Switzerland, Luxembourg, Liechtenstein, Denmark, France. I design all album pages for my collection myself and partly make them available to the general public for use.
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Post by rednaxela on Jul 12, 2024 10:37:56 GMT
During WWII, Liechtenstein issued stamps that reflected its cultural heritage. This 1943 commemorative set represents the reclamation of land for suitable agriculture. Scott: 192-195 A129This post from fazeman gives me the opportunity to go into a little more detail about the designer of these Liechtenstein stamps: Professor Eugen Zotov. He played a not insignificant role in Liechtenstein's art history: His "real" name was Ivan Grigoryevich Myasoyedov and he was born in Kharkiv in 1881 as the son of the painter Grigory Grigoryevich Myasoyedov. Kharkiv belonged to the Russian Empire at the time and is now part of Ukraine (and has been permanently under fire from the Russian army since Russia's attack on Ukraine). Ivan Myasoyedov studied at the School of Painting, Sculpture and Architecture in Moscow from 1896-1901 and attended the painting class at the St. Petersburg Academy of Arts from 1907 to 1912. The Russian Revolution and the Civil War forced him and his family to flee, first to the Crimea, then via Sevastopol and Trieste to Germany. After brief stays in Munich and Augsburg, Ivan Miassoyedov arrived in Berlin with his wife and daughter in 1921 and spent a total of 13 years there. Ivan Myasoyedov left Germany in 1936 and, after stays in Riga and Brussels, arrived in Liechtenstein in 1938 with a Czech passport as Eugen Zotow. Here he was one of the first freelance artists. In March 1953, he set off for Argentina, now once again under the name Myasoyedov. Only a few months after his arrival in his new homeland, Ivan Myasoyedov died in Buenos Aires on July 27, 1953. Eugen Zotov designed several stamps of the Principality of Liechtenstein: In 1939, this was the series commemorating the Liechtenstein people's homage to the new Prince of Liechtenstein Franz Joseph II (Michel ## 180 - 182). Zotov designed and engraved the stamps/plates. In 1942, he designed (and engraved) the images (and plates) for a stamp series commemorating the 600th anniversary of the division of territory between the Counts of Montfort-Weidenberg and Sargans (Michel ## 202 -206). This division of territory had great historical significance in the region that later became the Principality of Liechtenstein. Finally, in 1943, the stamp series presented by Fazeman was issued to mark the completion of the inland canal in Liechtenstein (Michel ## 218 -221), shown here again for the sake of completeness. Zotov was involved in the "Madonna of Dux" issue in 1941 (Michel # 197) as the engraver of the printing plate, which is also noted on the selvage of the miniature sheet. In 1996, the Principality of Liechtenstein issued three stamps with paintings by Zotov (Michel ## 1138 -1140). In 2013, Liechtenstein and Russia issued a joint issue with two paintings by Myasoyedov/Zotov in the miniature sheet format familiar to the Soviet Union and Russia. Here is the Liechtenstein variant (Michel ## 1690 - 1691). Finally, in 2021 there was a joint issue by Liechtenstein and Ukraine, also on Myasoyedov/Zotov (Michel ## 2018, 2019), here the Liechtenstein souvenir sheet.
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Hugh
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What I collect: Worldwide Occupation Stamps and Postal History; and, anything that looks interesting.
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Post by Hugh on Jul 12, 2024 11:52:47 GMT
rednaxela wrote: “This post from fazeman gives me the opportunity to go into a little more detail about the designer of these Liechtenstein stamps: Professor Eugen Zotov. He played a not insignificant role in Liechtenstein's art history”. I usually just ‘like’ great or interesting posts when I have nothing to add … but, in this case, I wanted to thank you for the details in your post about the history of the artist and the stamps. It’s background stories like this that makes philately come alive. Thanks again. Cheers, Hugh PS - I have a side collection on the history of artillery. One of your stamps had a wonderful scene with cannon. The hunt is on.
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Hugh
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Post by Hugh on Jul 16, 2024 21:51:58 GMT
rednaxela wrote: “This post from fazeman gives me the opportunity to go into a little more detail about the designer of these Liechtenstein stamps: Professor Eugen Zotov. He played a not insignificant role in Liechtenstein's art history”. In an earlier post, I mentioned that I was quite taken with the Liechtenstein stamps rednaxela posted - especially the 1942 series commemorating the separation of Liechtenstein from the House of Monfort. I bought a set and it arrived in today's mail. I'm even more impressed seeing them in front of me. Especially this stamp ... Stamp:Liechtenstein - Battle of Gutenberg Issued: April 22, 1942 1Fr Sc. 179 Not only it is well designed, the skill of the engraver is wonderful. Look at these two closeups. He has managed to tell part of the story of the artillery train in this battle. You can see the effort and strain on their faces as they pull the gun carriage. I love the little details ... the soldier picking up loose cannon balls, for example. I know these images were in the original painting, but it takes a different skill set to convey the image so well in a few short strokes of a steel tool especially on such a small format. Thanks again for sharing. PS - These stamps have lots of very visible blue, red and orange threads on both sides. That's always fun too.
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paul1
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Post by paul1 on Jul 17, 2024 7:20:18 GMT
so it's granite paper Hugh ? - yes, I like the thread effect too. You mention 'short strokes of a steel tool', Was the production of this stamp a steel engraved method, do you know?
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Hugh
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Post by Hugh on Jul 17, 2024 12:01:08 GMT
so it's granite paper Hugh ? - yes, I like the thread effect too. You mention 'short strokes of a steel tool', Was the production of this stamp a steel engraved method, do you know? Hi Paul ... great questions. 1 - My understanding is that granite paper is a fairly informal (versus scientific) classification of a paper that is usually grey-ish and thickish and has short (versus long) silk, cloth or paper threads embedded in it as an anti-counterfeiting measure. In which case, it looks like granite paper to me. I wouldn't call it 'grey' ... but it is a but dull. Definitely thick-ish though. And, I can't tell if the threads are silk but they are short. My Scott Catalogue is silent on the matter but my Michel says it's ' faserpapier', or 'granite paper' ... so I guess that settles it (smile). 2 - You're right. I don't know for sure. I just assumed it was steel engraving - that is, a burin was used to hand engrave (etch) the design into a softer steel die. My opinion only. A specialized reference could tell us more. When I was younger, one of my hobbies was blacksmithing. I have no skill, or knowledge, of the subtle art of engraving. I just took a hammer, heated things up and banged things together until I was happy with the result. Not subtle at all ... very crude (smile).
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paul1
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Post by paul1 on Jul 17, 2024 14:04:21 GMT
thanks Hugh - great information and enjoyable to read. I have this vision of you standing at the workbench - full length leather apron on and doing a little smithy-ing - laying down the tools and then delicately picking up the tweezers;-);-) I mentioned - yesterday I think - somewhere, about the frequency of use of granite paper on the Continent - for some reason this type of paper was used commonly there - but I don't think it became popular in the U.K. - possibly because the Continentals were less skilled at making paper suitable for printing stamps?
Might I please add a little to your comments about the method of creating these images ............ you are very correct that the burin was used by engravers, where a steel point (burin) was pushed through the metal to create the image, then inked and pressed to create an image in reverse, on paper - a very skilled job - but a dry method of working. You mention '(etch), which is different insofar as ........... a resist (ground) is laid onto the metal plate, and through which the engraver then uses a burin the create the image - the plate is then laid in acid which bites only where the burin has removed the resist i.e. the design - after which the resist is removed before printing. I assume all the early U.K. defs. were line engraved issues - a dry method without acid - engraving is usually another way of saying intaglio i.e. ink is taken into the cut lines and when damp paper is pressed into the plate it picks up the ink from the engraved lines - literally recess printing. Unfortunately, the creation of 1d. blacks and reds wasn't quite that simple - it was a complex process whereby metals of different hardness were used in the process of creating the final die. For stamps, ""the design image is cut on a soft steel 'master die' in the correct size and in recess and in reverse. The die is then hardened chemically and its image transferred to a soft steel cylinder, known as a transfer roller, under pressure. The roller in turn is chemically hardened and its image or images, transferred to a soft steel plate, as many times as required to build up the number of subjects to appear on the sheet of stamps. The process of transferring these images, under pressure is known as 'rocking - in' "" - courtesy of SG 'Philatelic Terms Illustrated'.
This doesn't help us to know whether the stamps showing here were engraved or lithographed. Anyway, enough waffle.
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Hugh
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What I collect: Worldwide Occupation Stamps and Postal History; and, anything that looks interesting.
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Post by Hugh on Jul 17, 2024 18:52:14 GMT
thanks Hugh - great information and enjoyable to read. I have this vision of you standing at the workbench - full length leather apron on and doing a little smithing - laying down the tools and then delicately picking up the tweezers;-);-) This doesn't help us to know whether the stamps showing here were engraved or lithographed. Anyway, enough waffle. They are definately engraved. We just don't know the method. Are you suggesting I change my profile picture to this?
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paul1
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Post by paul1 on Jul 17, 2024 20:20:37 GMT
ah, now if I looked as handsome as that ....................... but the anvil would come in handy ;-);-)
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rednaxela
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What I collect: Germany in all its facets since 1871 (especially German Reich used including postal statinoneries, used), USSR, Austria, Switzerland, Luxembourg, Liechtenstein, Denmark, France. I design all album pages for my collection myself and partly make them available to the general public for use.
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Post by rednaxela on Jul 18, 2024 9:51:40 GMT
This doesn't help us to know whether the stamps showing here were engraved or lithographed. First, a basic fact that is likely known to almost everyone: Engraving is a type of intaglio printing. One of its characteristics is that the ink is printed onto the paper from recessed grooves, creating a raised effect. In lithography, however, the ink is applied flat onto the paper due to the technological process involved. I have enlarged a section of the aforementioned stamp. In this section, one can clearly see the "three-dimensional" application of the ink. The Michel catalog correctly lists the printing technique as "StTdr. = Engraved (steel or copper engraving)." Whether it is a steel engraving or a copper engraving, I cannot say. Copper engraving features somewhat broader and less defined lines compared to steel engraving (due to the different hardness of the metal used for the original printing plate). I am aware of only two stamps that were produced with the same design using both steel and copper engraving: the Allied Occupation issues for Germany (joint issue) for the Leipzig Spring Fair of 1947 (Leipzig print as copper engraving and Berlin print as steel engraving, Michel 941 and 942, each with I and II variations). However, I do not (yet) have sufficiently illustrative examples of this...
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salentin
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Post by salentin on Jul 18, 2024 11:26:36 GMT
Do have both Mi.no.941 only.Upper copper-engraved,lower steel-engraved.
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paul1
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Post by paul1 on Jul 18, 2024 11:33:02 GMT
many thanks rednaxela - agree with your comments that engraving is intaglio (recess) - and much print making from the C19 and C20 used this method, and stamps too apparently. As you say, lithography is a flat process which traditionally makes use of the effect whereby grease repels the inks etc., can certainly see the raised outlines of the design in your picture. Commenting, despite being a complete ignoramus as to the complexities of stamp production - I would have thought it unlikely that copper would have been used for the master die due to its softness that you mention, but who knows, maybe they had some way of hardening the die metal. In your picture the design shows much 'bleeding', which is indicative of copper - also we see coloured fibres - is this an example of granite paper do you know?
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paul1
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Post by paul1 on Jul 18, 2024 11:36:51 GMT
In the two stamps shown by salentin - you can clearly see the richer, warmer tones of the copper engraving - in the upper picture - compared to the steel engraving, below. But, the price you pay for such artistic benefits is perhaps that the copper engraving simply won't last as long as the steel plate.
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rednaxela
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What I collect: Germany in all its facets since 1871 (especially German Reich used including postal statinoneries, used), USSR, Austria, Switzerland, Luxembourg, Liechtenstein, Denmark, France. I design all album pages for my collection myself and partly make them available to the general public for use.
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Post by rednaxela on Jul 18, 2024 14:41:32 GMT
many thanks rednaxela - agree with your comments that engraving is intaglio (recess) - and much print making from the C19 and C20 used this method, and stamps too apparently. As you say, lithography is a flat process which traditionally makes use of the effect whereby grease repels the inks etc., can certainly see the raised outlines of the design in your picture. Commenting, despite being a complete ignoramus as to the complexities of stamp production - I would have thought it unlikely that copper would have been used for the master die due to its softness that you mention, but who knows, maybe they had some way of hardening the die metal. In your picture the design shows much 'bleeding', which is indicative of copper - also we see coloured fibres - is this an example of granite paper do you know? I agree with your judgement paul1 that the appearance of this stamp indicates a copper engraving rather than a steel engraving. Perhaps there is an expert on this: Does the designation as a copper intaglio require that the master die and the “transfer plate” and then the final printing plate are all copper? Or is it sufficient if the master die is made of copper (and the subsequent stages of preparing/printing are made using steel that is first softened and then hardened again)? After all, the Liechtenstein stamps do not have such large print runs that copper printing plates would wear out too quickly. And indeed, the fibers in the image are evidence that this stamp(s) was printed on granite paper.
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tele1962
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What I collect: Collecting Liechtenstein, King Charles the III GB and any nice stamps from around the world I like the look of
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Post by tele1962 on Jul 19, 2024 14:35:08 GMT
I thought it was about time I showed some of Liechtenstein stamps I have aquired so far
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tele1962
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What I collect: Collecting Liechtenstein, King Charles the III GB and any nice stamps from around the world I like the look of
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Post by tele1962 on Jul 20, 2024 17:25:53 GMT
IMO a couple of very handsome stamps
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