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Post by kooolabs on Jan 8, 2024 9:11:17 GMT
good day the michel catalog does not list FDC print defects. Missing colors on stamps, for example BRD, DDR, have a decent evaluation. How about FDC? I found a few sales on google where a stamp worth 0.2 EUR was sold for 150 EUR on FDC with a color error. Can it be said that this is a general truth? How would you rate this FDC envelope? eror green and reed farbe  |
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vikingeck
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Post by vikingeck on Jan 8, 2024 10:10:58 GMT
Am I understanding you? The missing colour is on the cover cachet, we are not talking about the stamps?
If it is the envelope fault , I would consider it just a curio, and not worth a premium. Very surprised by such a price increase.
Did the cover sell at that price or is the seller being optimistic and trying a fancy price ?
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Post by kooolabs on Jan 8, 2024 14:30:38 GMT
thank you for your response
I'll try to be more specific.
It is FCD for stamps MI 3306-3309 block.
The price of stamps is not significant.
FDC is the official cover where the intaglio printed the structure, but the color red and green is missing.
Since some countries and some FDCs have this defect listed in the catalog, I don't think it's just a curiosity.
With all stamps or materials connected with them, /envelopes, stamps, FDC.../, uniqueness is always the reason for the increase in the value of the thing.
But I admit that with stamps the missing printing color is always very well described, especially in local special catalogs or periodical supplements of magazines, so it is not very common with FDC.
Greeting
prof. Mark
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Post by swvl on Jan 8, 2024 15:52:16 GMT
It all comes down to whether there's a collector willing to pay a premium for something like this. As an FDC collector myself, I wouldn't pay anywhere near that price for this — but it's entirely possible that someone who specializes in FDCs from from the DDR in this era, or even in these particular issues, would find an item like this desirable. You'd have to find that buyer to determine how much they'd pay.
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Post by gstamps on Jan 8, 2024 16:31:14 GMT
kooolabs , in the Michel catalog there are two official FDCs (each with 2 stamps); I found one:  FDC with the block of 4 stamps is mentioned in the catalog as unofficial (kein amtlicher FDC) It is normal not to be evaluated with or without missing colors.
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Post by kooolabs on Jan 8, 2024 17:11:01 GMT
gstamps:
Unfortunately, you are not right, my friend.
You indicate a different fdc, with marks Mi 3302-3305
2 official envelopes with 2x2 stamps were issued here.
In addition, there is not even a picture of the official FDC in your photo, but only a postal envelope with a photo of the FDC. The original FDC is an intaglio.
My photo shows a viereblock of stamps 3306-3309.
For this edition with different dimensions, the FDC was not issued with separate stamps, but only with the block.
There is also a difference in price.
fdc 1 plus 2 N. 3302-3305 are 3.80 and 1.70 MIE
fdc only 1 N. 3306-3309 are 15mie
If I were to calculate here the general findings of the average of actually sold FCD with a color defect, then with the deduction of the value of this FDC I would come to the conclusion that the catalog value /if the catalog stated/ could be approx. 1500MIE...
The fact that the official FDC in question has been postmarked also increases the value to some extent.
Conclusion: I don't want to argue with my post, everyone has their own opinion, I was looking to see if anyone has similar things, especially with the DDR territories.
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Post by gstamps on Jan 8, 2024 18:29:07 GMT
kooolabs, I didn't quite understand your statements. I only have Michel specialized for stamps. Your FDC (with block of 4 stamps) is mentioned in Michel with an asterisk (see arrows):  It is an unofficial FDC (please translate "kein amtlicher FDC") Being unofficial, I suspect that it does not appear in the Michel covers or FDC catalogs. I do not have these catalogs and I would be curious to see what appears in the ones you refer to. We always have something to learn. The sheet is called "zusammendrucke-bogen" and from it comes your block of 4 stamps. 
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Post by kooolabs on Jan 9, 2024 3:33:36 GMT
![]() good day sir colleague I do not dispute what you write now. I disputed the photo you posted of the FDC first series of stamps. This is not an official fdc, you can see for yourself that a photo of the relief from the official fdc is pasted on the cover. See my photo of you with the ink squinted. In the second photo, I present one of my FDCs of the first group. As for the FDC of the second group of stamps. Here I do not dispute that michel states "unofficial". You are right. But the question is why there is an absolutely identical variant for the first series and for the second series with the same cover and the same stamp. Only on the second series is a block of 4 stamps. I think they were also issued by the post office. Both series of stamps were issued at the same time. So I don't think that the FDC for the second series is unofficial. When it comes to terms, Michel also likes to mix things up and change names. This is especially known for colors. For this second series, Michel presents -the value of the stamps - block value / viererblock/ -the value of the partition block / kleinbogen, kompletter Zd-bogen../ -at fdc there is a 4block. I hope I explained, we are talking about the same thing and understand each other, right?   |
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