philatelia
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Post by philatelia on Jan 14, 2024 16:05:00 GMT
I’m working on the Finland 1930s Lions issues today, trying to differentiate the colors. I played around with my adjustable lamp until I found a color temperature that seemed to work best. According to experts, that’s around 5000-5500K (kelvin). The lamp doesn’t have any type of readout, so I tried to get the closest I could to the middle range that felt most like sunlight. FYI This lamp is just fantastic for this type of work - brand name Varilum.  Anyways, I’m going to use this thread to document my efforts to find examples of the color varieties mentioned in the LaPe catalog. It looks like I need more examples to study. Pictures to follow soon! All catalog numbers are LaPe, but they closely correspond to Michel. Here are some of my best guesses - see pics for my scribbled IDs and color notes Apologies, but I don’t have a hi res scanner - using my iPad camera.  |
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philatelia
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Post by philatelia on Jan 14, 2024 16:57:24 GMT
More of my SWAGS - best guesses for color varieties. This group includes a color changeling, probably UV fading?   |
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philatelia
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Post by philatelia on Jan 14, 2024 17:23:20 GMT
Five listed color varieties for the 1 markka. The “light olive green” must be one that I don’t have. A few of the lighter yellow green had a slight olive tone, but not enough that I would call them olive.  |
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stainlessb
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What I collect: currently focused on most of western Europe, much of which is spent on France, Belgium, Germany and Great Britain Queen Victoria
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Post by stainlessb on Jan 14, 2024 17:50:19 GMT
Color tone is (IMHO) one of the most confounding of aspects to our hobby. If you compare different resource, (espercially) if in different languages, the semantics alone gets confusing (SG and Michel have a fe colors that have the same name, but are clearly not the same color tone). And we are also dealing with names given many many years ago, when most references were in B/W, and if in color, the accuracy was questionable (as well as what impact, age, the paper it was printed on, and the inks stability). Some of the names really don't make a lot of sense, and leaves much to the philatelist to decide...is the color Lilac-rose, more lilac than rose, or???
The cost of the Pantone devices is out of reach for most, and several other 'portable' color analyzers, still are very pricey. Plus, the color library and names used may not meld well with philately.
PERFOMASTER is a free software, but you must load in your own color library, and the accuracy is all relevent to your scanner and monitor= but iy is a useful tool (albeit not the final word).
Your stamps have the advantage of nice solid color backgrounds which makes sampling easier than line engraved, where not only does the unprinted areas skew the results, obliterations really confound things. I use an LED desk lamp rated at 3000 - 6500K, and can't honestly tell you what the in-between light readings are, but I mainly use the full 6500K, which is supposedly what 'natural" daylight is.
I have 'color sorted' stamps only to go back and resort again..... and again
good luck in your quest!!!
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philatelia
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Post by philatelia on Jan 14, 2024 18:13:00 GMT
stainlessb agree 100%! Color differentiation is where I really have the most difficulties. That’s why I call all of my color identifications “SWAGs” ie “Scientific Wild Azz Guesses”! lol more pics soon - cooking dinner for company today…
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hdm1950
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What I collect: I collect world wide up to 1965 with several specialty albums added due to volume of material I have acquired. At this point I am focused on Canada and British America. I am always on the lookout for stamps and covers with postmarks from communities in Queens County, Nova Scotia. I do list various goods including stamps occasionally on eBay as hdm50
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Post by hdm1950 on Jan 14, 2024 18:26:14 GMT
This colour discussion takes me back to my time of owning and operating a paint and wallpaper store. A friend in the business had a sign in his store that was perfect ' If we cannot make the colour you want it must be a pigment of your imagination'.
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