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Post by jamesw on Oct 29, 2013 3:14:09 GMT
Anyone have any idea where this little candle label may have come from? I'm guessing possibly Dutch because of the ct. denomination. But I have no idea as to it's purpose. The image area measures only 17mm square and the paper is quite stiff, verging on card stock. Anyone? Anyone?  |
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Post by jamesw on Feb 5, 2014 2:06:23 GMT
I'm going to bump this one because I'm still curious about this little guy, and no one has responded. Any takers?
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Londonbus1
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Post by Londonbus1 on Jan 11, 2020 9:40:37 GMT
Now I am giving this a 'bump' almost 6 years later !  Cleaning up the Cinderella section has distinct advantages. One gets to re-visit old threads, see stuff long forgotten about and stumble upon great little items like this one, once again. Now I can run off and have another look around to find the answer. Anyone ? |
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Post by jamesw on Jan 11, 2020 12:29:31 GMT
YAY!
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Londonbus1
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Post by Londonbus1 on Jan 14, 2020 20:49:47 GMT
jamesw and all ! So I tried this little experiment to get to the bottom of this problem. I posted the scan on a popular Social media outlet where lots of different specialists hang out. I know most of them and they each took it upon themselves to search for an answer. A Christmas, Easter and other Seal expert and author of the latest Greens USA Seal catalogue. Connecticut Cinderellas (Ray Petersen) A Dutch Philatelist, expert in most things 'Holland' A USA Philatelist. And a whole bunch of other top guys and girls who know their stuff. (Not sure why they are not here but sometimes Facebook/Instagram/Twitter are the easy options) Anyway, we are no further along the road because this combined effort of a very knowledgeable group of collectors/dealers came up with........... ........NOTHING !! A simple-looking Cinderella stamp is still a mystery. So come on all you TSF MEMBERS..........let's solve this mystery.........NOW !!!!!!! Londonbus1.....too bloomin' tired to solve anything !
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Post by jamesw on Jan 15, 2020 0:20:37 GMT
dang! who knew this'd be so tough? At least there's a candle to light the way!
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jan 15, 2020 9:13:55 GMT
I had already tried doing a simple web search using various combinations of "candle stamp 10-ct label cinderella" yesterday, which turned up nothing. So after this latest plea by Londonbus1 , I tried again, first by doing a reverse-image search using the image from the post by jamesw and then doing the word search again, but this time using the same words in Dutch. After 20 minutes of trying, I found nothing, either. I am ready to pass the search baton to someone else! The only observations I can make are that I agree with James that the 10-ct denomination makes me think pre-1940 Netherlands as the likely origin. I note that later stamp issues from Netherlands use "c" for cents rather than "ct" like the classic era stamps. My other observation is that the red candle makes me think that this piece is related to Christmas, as red candles are often associated with Christmas. One question for James: Does this stamp have gum on the back? If it does not have any evidence of gum at all, and given that you have described the paper as cardboard-like, then I wonder if this was never intended to be used as a label, but rather as a game-piece or token of some sort. Sorry I could not advance the identification of this item any further. I tried! Edit: An additional thought is that if the item has no gum, I am wondering if it might have been used as a token at a Christmas market. I did a quick search, and it appears that The Netherlands has Christmas markets similar to those in Germany. In former times, there may have been markets that had patrons buy tokens to redeem at the stands for food, drink, or holiday items, similar to how patrons used to buy tickets for use at a fair or an amusement park. Just a thought. |
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Post by brightonpete on Jan 15, 2020 13:19:32 GMT
IO did a picture search & also came up empty handed. It's nowhere in the internet! Amazing!  |
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Post by jamesw on Jan 16, 2020 0:59:31 GMT
Hello BG (and all the rest!) Yes there appears to be a light gum on the back, or at least some sort of semigloss coating on the paper. I didn't mean to mislead, it isn't thick like a card. But it is stiff like card. I too did all the word search that you did, and came up with zilch. brightonpete ...nowhere except here, it would seem. Odd the TinEye didn't pick up on that. Hmmmmm! Is it literally unique? Is it time to quit my job and head off for early retirement due to this incredible win fall? ...doubt it. We'll keep looking. edit. Ok, I just did a damp finger test on the back and it's not gum. Some sort of varnish coating on the paper. A ticket of some kind is an interesting thought. That's the sort of weight the paper has. But to perf it like a stamp is curious. |
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Post by darkormex on Jan 16, 2020 1:16:28 GMT
jamesw, what was the context in which you came across this label? Was it in a collection mounted on a page or in kiloware?
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Post by jamesw on Jan 16, 2020 3:01:36 GMT
Oh lordy, darkormex, I have no idea. I first posted this in 2013. How I came across this enigma is anyones guess.
Certainly not kiloware, I've never ventured into that world.
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Post by cindycan2 on Jan 19, 2020 4:39:23 GMT
On the premise that it may be a Christmas seal, I searched "Seal News", the official newsletter of the Christmas Seal and Charity Stamp Society, for terms like "candle" and "10 ct" but came up empty. I searched all issues from 1947-2010. As Christmas seals were intended to raise funds for a particular cause, the vast majority of such seals have the name of the charity on the stamp. So the fact that there is no name on this candle stamp might indicate that it was not issued as a fundraising seal.
I also searched the Mosbaugh catalogs with similar terms and came up empty.
One note about reverse image searches. I also tried the candle stamp image with the Google reverse image search (and also the TinEye search) and came up empty. But as a test I also reverse image searched some common cinderella stamps, including some where the images have been on my BirdBearPress website since 2012 and those also came up empty. So there is a suspiciously high false negative rate with these types of search algorithms - need to interpret results with caution. Even stamps that are regularly seen in auctions on eBay did not come up in the reverse image searches. The search continues... |
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Post by jimwentzell on Feb 3, 2020 6:43:40 GMT
No news from my favorite Euro-centric (German) posting forum: The sole reply to my request for help was a negative Google image result.  Asking yesterday at the recent stamp show in Atlanta, the Southeastern Stamp Expo, I was directed to email someone who knows a lot about foreign Christmas seals; we'll see if I get a response soon! |
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Post by hrdoktorx on Feb 3, 2020 7:22:42 GMT
The sole reply to my request for help was a negative Google image result. Asking yesterday at the recent stamp show in Atlanta, the Southeastern Stamp Expo, I was directed to email someone who knows a lot about foreign Christmas seals; we'll see if I get a response soon! I've seen this one before, but I can't remember quite where. Please do share the answer if you get one! |
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Post by jimwentzell on Feb 11, 2020 17:24:30 GMT
I contacted a dealer known for his expertise in worldwide Seals; he was busy traveling from stamp shows and asked me to remind him on Wednesday when he returns home (in the Midwest USA) tomorrow I’ll resend the image and a link to this site!
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