Andy Pastuszak
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Praying for my family and everyone in Ukraine.
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What I collect: United States, Ukraine, Ireland
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Mar 19, 2024 1:36:49 GMT
I'm getting ready to start my 2023 Stamp pages for Ukraine and I am trying to outsource an answer.
In 2023 Ukraine issue quite a few souvenir sheets. Since Ukraine still issues gummed perforated stamps, I have always treated these sheets as follows:
1. If a sheet has perforations that go out to edge of the selvage, then that's a sheet, since it's designed to be broken down into individual stamps. Here is an example from 2023:
If the perforations do not go to the edge, leaving the stamps "trapped," then that's a souvenir sheet. Here is a 2023 example of that:
Most Ukrainian stamp sellers disagree with my opinion and break these up into individual stamps.
What are people's opinion on the matter?
And with countries with self-adhesive stamps, this distinction doesn't exist any more.
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djcmh
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Post by djcmh on Mar 19, 2024 7:20:43 GMT
At Colnect we use the following definitions
Mini-sheet - any sheet with 5 or more stamps where all of the stamps are different designs
Souvenir Sheet - any sheet with less than 4 stamps OR a sheet with 4 or more stamps that repeats stamps also issued in single design panes.
Full Pane - any sheet with 4 or more stamps of exactly the same design OR two or more se-tenant sets within the pane.
So for the two examples above we would call both full panes. The single design stamp was not issued in any larger pane units.
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hrdoktorx
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Post by hrdoktorx on Mar 19, 2024 8:45:03 GMT
I like your definition. Simple, unequivocal, and easy to follow.
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stanley64
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Post by stanley64 on Mar 19, 2024 10:45:49 GMT
Indeed, good working definitions djcmh ; it is always nice to have a reference :-)
As for the items shared by Andy Pastuszak , given that the inscriptions have no concrete or specific event being commemorated, by my own definition, these are simply miniature sheets.
Have fun and happy collecting!
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angore
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Post by angore on Mar 19, 2024 10:53:17 GMT
This is the definition from Linn's Stamp News website, Thois defintion focuses on how it is sold so a broad category.
Pane: The unit into which a full press sheet is divided before sale at post offices. What a post office customer may refer to as a “sheet of stamps” is more properly called a pane. Most United States full sheets are divided into four or more regular panes or many more booklet panes before they are shipped to post offices.
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Post by gstamps on Mar 19, 2024 11:34:42 GMT
Souvenir sheet = must have written on the selvedge the event being commemorated: ...a national anniversary, philatelic exhibition, or government program... see : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miniature_sheetIn Michel they are named and registered with "Block 1,2,3..." Michel Block #21 of June 21, 1990 - the event is inscribed (see red arrow) has 6 identical stamps. The stamp was only issued in this configuration and has the number Michel#1472.  Michel Block#22 of November 6, 1990 - the event is registered (see red arrow) has 2 different stamps. The stamps were also issued in 10x5 sheets (another printing method and without the appearance of the flag on the white edge of the stamp: they have the number Michel 1481I and 1482I or with II for those in the block.   I think that regardless of how many stamps they contain (regular or special/perforated or non-perforated), the classification as a "souvenir sheet" is due to the inscription on it of the event for which it was issued. |
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Andy Pastuszak
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Mar 19, 2024 12:15:16 GMT
I think ultimately what it will come down to is what catalog number MICHEL assigns to these stamps. If they get a BLOCK number. So, I'm outsourcing my opinion to MICHEL.  |
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Post by gstamps on Mar 19, 2024 16:22:05 GMT
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rednaxela
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What I collect: Germany in all its facets since 1871 (especially German Reich used including postal statinoneries, used), USSR, Austria, Switzerland, Luxembourg, Liechtenstein, Denmark, France. I design all album pages for my collection myself and partly make them available to the general public for use.
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Post by rednaxela on Mar 19, 2024 19:21:34 GMT
Souvenir sheet = must have written on the selvedge the event being commemorated: ...a national anniversary, philatelic exhibition, or government program... see : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miniature_sheetIn Michel they are named and registered with "Block 1,2,3..." Michel Block #21 of June 21, 1990 - the event is inscribed (see red arrow) has 6 identical stamps. The stamp was only issued in this configuration and has the number Michel#1472. The fact that Michel defines this issue as a "souvenir sheet" is an inexplicable inconsistency with regard to the usual Michel definitions. According to Michel, a "souvenir sheet" requires different stamps if there is more than one stamp with a corresponding decorative selvedge; otherwise, according to the Michel definition, it is a miniature sheet. However, this is precisely the case here. The very irritating, inconsistent definition of this issue in the Michel catalog has been the subject of intense debate in Germany. The perplexity has remained... |
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Andy Pastuszak
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Praying for my family and everyone in Ukraine.
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Mar 20, 2024 2:43:58 GMT
So, the second sheet I posted says in the selvage "In Memory of the Fallen Defenders of Ukraine." Which kind of makes it feel like it might be a souvenir sheet. It doesn't commemorate a specific event, though. So, I guess it does not qualify.
Looks like MICHEL only assigned it catalog number (2100) and not a BLOCK number.
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rednaxela
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What I collect: Germany in all its facets since 1871 (especially German Reich used including postal statinoneries, used), USSR, Austria, Switzerland, Luxembourg, Liechtenstein, Denmark, France. I design all album pages for my collection myself and partly make them available to the general public for use.
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Post by rednaxela on Jun 25, 2024 9:40:45 GMT
At Colnect we use the following definitions Mini-sheet - any sheet with 5 or more stamps where all of the stamps are different designs Souvenir Sheet - any sheet with less than 4 stamps OR a sheet with 4 or more stamps that repeats stamps also issued in single design panes. Full Pane - any sheet with 4 or more stamps of exactly the same design OR two or more se-tenant sets within the pane. Not least in connection with my album projects, I am trying to find a reasonably consistent systematisation of how stamps are issued and thus classified: from sheets, miniature sheets or as souvenir sheets. The definition used by Colnect seems simple and coherent. However, there is a gap in the definition for issues with four different stamps that are not also issued in sheets with identical designs for the individual stamps. At least in Colnect practice, such issues are obviously counted as souvenir sheets (see screenshot of a Liechtenstein issue):  But why is the following issue (next screenshot, also Liechtenstein) classified as a miniature sheet in Colnect? It is an issue with four stamps in an identical design. Therefore, according to the Colnect definition, it should "actually" be a full pane.  |
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salentin
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collecting Germany,where I live and about 20 more countries,half of them in Asia east of the Indus
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Post by salentin on Jun 25, 2024 11:38:26 GMT
In regard to Germany Michel Block 21 (10.Internationale Briefmarken-Ausstellung der Jugend in Düsseldorf): The reason why it is listed as a Block (souvenir sheet) is quite sinple. The sheet was announced and sold by the Deutsche Bundespost as a Block (souvenir sheet). As there is no universally accepted defintion of what a souvenir sheet is,Michel (always) follows the stamp-issueing entity (Bundespost).
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