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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2013 0:29:09 GMT
After sorting 5kgs of Australia very recent decimal kiloware on paper this week. There has been found about 2,000 60c letter rate stamps that are mint with no gum plus with another 5kgs of the same kiloware to sort next week the possibility of another 1,000 stamps mint with no gum is a realistic possibility.
These type of stamps are selling for about 50% face value on eBay listed as buy it now. It looks like about 20,000 used stamps will be sorted to be soaked and taken off paper for our eBay store. This part of sorting the kiloware for used stamps we do each year in January and two weeks in February. It has become a joint effort with my wife.
As this is being written in intervals the 1st batch of stamp mint no gum are being taken off paper. There is about 800 of the 2010 definitive "fish from the reef". These stamps will be listed in the next couple of days and it is hoped that it will return a clear $200 so a new lot of 10kgs of recent kiloware on paper can be purchased from the supplier.
The next 10kgs of kiloware will be sorted so 450g lots of commemoratives only can be sold on top of selling the mint no gum stamps. This should boost the income and hopefully more kiloware will be purchased.
Sounds interesting but will the sorter get sick of sorting? Will the stamps sell? Will the quality of the kiloware stay the same? Will kiloware that has been gathered from that last 15 to 20 years be needed instead of kiloware from the last 5 years? etc?
Here we go! kg5
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Post by tomiseksj on Nov 2, 2013 12:43:24 GMT
I don't envy you and your wife your sorting/soaking task!
I assume that all of the mint no gum on paper stamps escaped cancellation on the mail pieces to which they were originally attached.
Are the comparable ebay sales you mention for those stamps as being listed on or off paper?
I'd expect off paper listings to bring a premium over the on paper variety due to the time and effort involved in getting them "glue stick" ready.
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Post by I.L.S. on Nov 2, 2013 15:51:19 GMT
Myself being a businessman would suggest the following:
Put the effort in this batch to make the most profit (over what you paid of course) you can from it and then buy better quality stuff. It might not be as much by volume but will be of much better quality and desirable material. I wouldn't fight through all that "dead weight" all the time just to make a pittance. That may sound a bit harsh but I won't candy-coat it for you as you know eBay is a HUGE marketplace and the internet even larger, so look at what the similar stuff to your listings actually sold for (as opposed to just listed for) and then, if you can, try to undercut them but don't "slit your own throat" doing it. If you can, of course yours will sell a little faster and there may be more buyers by way of word of mouth in the near future.
I would also suggest "not putting all your eggs in one basket". It's an old euphemism for a very good reason. Just use your common sense and try to better your material each time like old collection lots and cover lots. Like I said, it may be less stuff but more desirable hence more buyers = more moo-lah. Best of luck to you! -Jeff
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Post by Ryan on Nov 2, 2013 22:21:07 GMT
After sorting 5kgs of Australia very recent decimal kiloware on paper this week. There has been found about 2,000 60c letter rate stamps that are mint with no gum plus with another 5kgs of the same kiloware to sort next week the possibility of another 1,000 stamps mint with no gum is a realistic possibility. Wow, that's a lot of uncancelled stamps - what are your stats for the number of stamps you get from the 5Kg lot? Maybe 18,000 if on trimmed paper? That's a considerable percentage of stamps making it through uncancelled. I receive regular envelopes so seldom that I couldn't guess how often it happens in Canada, but for the type of mail I receive (mostly oversized envelopes or packages) I would guess somewhere around 30-40% receive no cancellation. Ryan
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2013 22:32:39 GMT
Great add on comments to strengthen the set up business structure and to keep the business growing in strength. The "how to do's"is very important. Thank you for your comments they are very in touch.
The research that has been done on 10 lots of mint no gum over a week on eBay was very interesting.
All are 60c stamps off paper. All the 50 stamp lots are gone at $12.50 and less. All the lots of 100 stamps at $25 are gone and most of them were "buy it now listings" with 5 to 10 lots on offer. Half of the lots of 100 stamps for $30 are still for sale.
I like the comment about a better mix of kiloware. For our business kiloware from the last 5 years is very important but that may not be the best to sell on the open market. Kiloware from the last 15 to 20 year is probably the better choice to sell sorted kiloware on paper and the next buy will be with this description mentioned.
2.5 to 5 kgs of kiloware per week can be sorted easily in my spare time at present. But will the sorter get sick of sorting?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2013 22:40:15 GMT
In 36hrs we have sold enough MNG stamps to buy 10kgs of kiloware on paper. There is still two more lots and we are going to wait till they sell so 12kgs kiloware on paper can be purchased, 6kgs very recent and 6kgs from the last 15 years.
The sale of the Mint No Gum stamps was so quick it has caught me off guard. It is very popular!
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Post by Perfs14 on Nov 6, 2013 19:13:27 GMT
Do you purchase your kiloware from dealers/ebay or straight from charities?...or is it a secret?
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Post by Perfs14 on Nov 6, 2013 19:20:51 GMT
I am no kind of businessman, but I recently did a study of the business of a friend and we found out that one of the most important factors was the time spent to earn the money. He was just charging too little per hour in order to cover all his costs including overheads. We discovered that unless he charged somewhere between $120 and $150 per hour, he was likely to show a loss at the end of the year. This will vary from business to business, but it is an important factor, afterall we all get 24 hrs/day and a limited number of days...it pays to make the best of them.
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Post by stoltzpup on Nov 6, 2013 20:14:28 GMT
I've recently had a similar experience of consulting with a friend who has been accounting his time too cheaply in his business, with the result being he was evicted from his studio for lack of rent payments. Selling stamps was not his business. However, I see his faulty business plan replicated in many ebay/stamp businesses. Unless you consider your time as being worthless, doing the work you do for the sheer love of it, you have to take the hours of labor into account. To do that, you need not only keep account of the hours currently being spent but also you need to project what multiple of those hours would bring the business to a sustainable level, or at least to an acceptable gross income, given market constraints. You might be surprise, if you do that math, to find that you'll be needing something like 48 hours a day.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2013 23:10:41 GMT
When we started out 3 years ago our prices were very cheap because we started selling on eBay .com with "0" feedback score. It took 3 months to sell our 1st item and we were selling $50 items for $5. Now we have a reputation for selling top class stamps and have a large following and lots of new buyers and our pricing reflects the quality of our stamps and have 750 to 850 different Australia 1990 to 2013 items up for sale each week in our eBay store. We have just finished a restructure that has taken my wife and I an hour extra a day for about the last 6 weeks. The result is stunning! Now the work for prepareing the stamps to list takes an hour instead of 3hrs. When it comes to time for me it is firstly about quality of life. I sit to do the computer work but stand for everything else. My spine has been shattered..... that is enough of that talk. By adding more sitting into my day at regular intervals or as my back determines I have added sorting stamps as part of a possible part of my working day. I am sorting with as little movement as possible. It has taken many years to work out how to do everything because of my physical issues. My sorting set up. There is another plastic tub in between the chair and large tub.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2013 23:32:14 GMT
If you are a stamp collector and know a country's stamps and have 2 to 3+ hrs spare a week and need a bit of cash to extend the collection or put some food on the table so to speak.
Then selling stamps might be for you. It takes time to get established but you will if you do not give up. To think that selling stamps is going to be your only form of income, then you really need to go and see a doctor because you are delusional! But after some years of selling it would be possible to make a living out of stamps or can buy and sell mega expensive stamps maybe you could make a living out of stamps.
It is good to kick this stuff around. You never know who it could help. There is a lot of wisdom in those replies!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2013 23:56:35 GMT
Our business structure is to sell singles by auction basically. There is not much competition selling like this in the our selling stamp years. It costs us $500 per month for our eBay store but we can list as many items as we like and that is about 3,400 items per month. Last month we sold over $5,000 in stamps. Soon it will be $50 per month but our eBay store will only cost $50 per month with 200 free auction listings.
The other cheaper approach is to sell "buy it now" . Take 15 bundles of a 100 stamps in sets and list 10 lots per listing. No listing cost because you stay within 50 listings per month plus you keep using the same image and listing for a 100 sales per set. Great way to start. Less profit but a good start.
The "buy it now" way is how I have started selling the kiloware 1st as mint no gum and soon by using the profit buying and selling sorted kiloware, as well, and then buy............
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2013 0:32:54 GMT
Sorry Ryan!
I missed your comment. It is the problem when posting here and listing on eBay at the same time.
About 5,000 stamps on paper kiloware per kg is how I work it out. There is about 15,000 per kg kiloware off paper.
The mint no gum stamps is a amazing number in that 5kgs. This next 5kgs is not as many MNG. Have sorted 2kgs for about 300 mint no gum have showed up.
I have never sorted for mint no gum before!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2013 1:07:58 GMT
Maybe a better image. I lean forward so I am very comfortable and my hands are in the middle of the plastic tubs. The rejects are in the large tub.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2013 8:52:10 GMT
Well the weigh in had to happen. It just did not look right.
8.5kgs rejects, 3.5kgs keepers and 1.5kgs to go. Is all up 13.5kgs for a 10kg buy.
Just under 2,000 stamps mint no gum with some more to come. I must of got the mint no gum bag!
Plus about 300 recent high values that all came out of the one bag. That has never happened before.
We have been buying stamps off them for a long time now.
Finish sorting tomorrow. My wife sorted 55c stamps today. The 1.5kgs is very rich but it looks like we are short of some issues.
What do I need to do?
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Post by stoltzpup on Nov 7, 2013 18:12:39 GMT
KG5, you seem to have found your niche and, with the MNG stamps, perhaps a niche within a niche. I did check out your ebay store. Since I collect mainly pre-1940 classics, we probably won't be doing much business together, but I admire your offerings.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2013 6:24:20 GMT
Thank you very much for the Kind words stoltzpup!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2013 6:15:55 GMT
The 55c stamp short fall is resolved as last years left overs have been found and have filled in the holes nicely.
With so much stock it is just so easy to forget about a bunch of stamps here and there.
Also found 400g of International Post kiloware on paper but it is only made up of about 15 different and it is not sorted for self adhesives which started me thinking and looking.
Found an auction with some International Post kiloware lots on offer.
Have used them before but with mixed quality outcomes.
The last lot I won about 12 months ago and I sent it back because it was all common International Post stamps with practically zero different.
They are telling me that the mixers are great and I will not be disappointed.
We have a huge amount of International Post stock as it sells very well.
It is a bit of an issue because this type of kiloware sells for a $1,000 to $1,500 a kg at auction if you are lucky! That is 25c to 35c per stamp! There is less numbers per kg because some of it comes as parcel post.
Have been looking at this kiloware for sale on eBay and it looks to have room for good, quality lots. But the best stamps would need to be sold as singles as the bulk lots will only sell at cost and a bit more. 50 stamps per lot sounds right at $15 per lot. Would get close to 50 different which might lift the cost to $25. Anything bigger and it is going to be hard to sell.
Some lots on offer on eBay. Listed as Buy It Now lots 200 Christmas stamps on paper at 12.5c per stamp. 500 Christmas on paper 20c per stamp. Reasonable but all definitives mix 400 on paper 25c per stamp. Nice lot 450 stamps off paper 30c each. This lot has been for sale for months! " I will buy this lot for our business." It has a huge resale! Sold at $135 mailed.
I think after all that I will leave International Post kiloware alone for another 12 to 18 months and start making lots up from the 400g on hand.
Back to putting the thinking cap on. Maybe bulk low value KGV's?
This business from mint no gum has $280 in the kitty so far. All from the scraps of our stores kiloware for modern sets.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2013 8:45:48 GMT
Seriously looking at buying just under 300 Australia used 2006 commonwealth games stamps.
This is a very serious used set of 107 stamps. By far the largest Australia Decimal stamp set.
Used stamps are worth heaps more than mint!
Found a Australia Decimal kiloware on paper buy of 2kg for $100 mailed. Big risk but I trust them. It carries an excellent pedigree.
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