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Post by Stamper49 on Apr 24, 2024 13:34:15 GMT
I have a postcard with a Scott US 405 1c Washington on it. Sorry that I don't have a picture, I have yet to figure that out. The interesting thing is that the height of the stamp is noticeably taller than any of the other 405's I have on hand. The engraved area is the same as the other stamps, 19mm x 22mm, but the stamp is about 28mm overall height, perf tip to perf tip, versus 26mm for the other stamps. It makes for a super wide margin at the bottom.
The engraved area is offset to the upper left. The left edge of the engraving appears to be less than 0.5mm to the bottom of the perfs, the top is 1mm to the bottom of the perfs, the right side is 2mm+ to the bottom of the perfs, and the the bottom is 4mm to the bottom of the perfs.
Has anyone seen anything like this before?
Would it be classified as an "error"?
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Apr 24, 2024 15:07:35 GMT
I have a postcard with a Scott US 405 1c Washington on it. Sorry that I don't have a picture, I have yet to figure that out. The interesting thing is that the height of the stamp is noticeably taller than any of the other 405's I have on hand. The engraved area is the same as the other stamps, 19mm x 22mm, but the stamp is about 28mm overall height, perf tip to perf tip, versus 26mm for the other stamps. It makes for a super wide margin at the bottom. Hi, your problem is measuring perf tip to perf tip. As you have done, by measuring the engraved part, that is correct (ie the Printed image size) The Stamps are then line perforated, and there is no accuracy in doing so, Stamps will always show differing sizes perf tip to perf tip. Sometimes even extremely wide on sides, where these are called "wing margins" That is why, some stamps attract higher prices when the printed image sits smack down in the centre of the perfs this is referred to as "centering" Here are some 405's, where you can see the gals placing the printed stamp paper, under the perforator misguided, and produced very wide margins at the bottom (Not the selvedge, the distance from the printed image to the perfs at the bottom row) Yet the top of the stamps the perforations are cutting into the stamp design
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Post by Stamper49 on Apr 25, 2024 12:41:27 GMT
Hello Rod, rod222 Thank you for the image, I finally have an image of my #405, but for some reason can't upload it, maybe because I'm a new member? Your image says it all. It's just that I had never seen anything like it before. Thank you for taking the time to explain things to an old newcomer.
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Post by Admin on Apr 25, 2024 13:36:31 GMT
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Post by Stamper49 on Apr 27, 2024 9:59:10 GMT
Thank you Admin for leading me to the path to upload an image, it took me a few tries but, I think it may work this time.
Anyway. The extended bottom margin of the Scott #405 stamp on the postcard is something I had never seen before, and many thanks to rod222 for showing his image of a plate of #405's that showed this is a relatively common situation.
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Post by tomiseksj on Apr 27, 2024 15:38:56 GMT
Not only are the margins large, the year slug in the duplex cancel appears to have been placed in backwards.
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Post by khj on Apr 27, 2024 23:56:17 GMT
It's actually a little bit more involved, but the basic conclusion is the same -- it's not an error. However, it is neither common nor rare.
During the early 1910s (don't remember the exact dates), the US post office experimented with varied vertical spacings along the bottom few rows, in an effort to reduce wastage due to perforation inaccuracies as the press sheet was fed through the perforator. They experimented with a slightly larger spacing in the bottom couple of rows. Wastage was reduced, but the variable perforation spacing created problems for vending machine companies, so they eventually settled for a larger overall consistent vertical spacing for each stamp. For selvedge collectors, these experimental plates are known as the star plates (variable) and the A plates (larger). When final decision was made, the designation was no longer added to the plate number since no longer experimental.
One of the changes also involved a wider margin along the perimeter. This likely created the stamp shown by the OP. Basically, it is a stamp from the bottom row for which someone (hopefully a selvedge collector) has removed the bottom selvedge. Although not quite the same as "wing margin" GB stamp (which appear on the right/left and are the inside margins of the 2-pane layout), the original discoverer (sorry, forgot his name) of this phenomenon on US stamps also called them "wing margin" stamps. This is why the OP's stamp is so much taller than normal (otherwise, at the bottom you would see the top of the next stamp). My point is, in this case it is deliberate, not a misperforation.
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Post by rod222 on Apr 28, 2024 3:47:41 GMT
It's actually a little bit more involved, but the basic conclusion is the same -- it's not an error. However, it is neither common nor rare. My point is, in this case it is deliberate, not a misperforation. Duly noted, nice research there Kim !
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