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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2016 18:59:37 GMT
Nova Scotia: Proofs & Colour TrialsTwo of my favorites These are proofs on card stock and much less expensive than the actual stamps  
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Post by BC on Feb 24, 2016 20:34:35 GMT
Those Nova Scotia look great in black. Too bad they weren't issued that way, especially the #1. Not that the actual stamps aren't magnificent! No #1 is still on my bucket list  |
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Post by Poodle_Mum on Feb 26, 2016 2:59:12 GMT
Indeed the #1 is absolutely gorgeous in black - although it is one of the most beautiful stamps I've seen, the actual issue just doesn't add up to the black proof.
Proofs are extremely popular nowadays and I've noticed a lot more in auctions than ever before.
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Post by dgdecker on Feb 12, 2018 1:37:54 GMT
Does anyone know if NS plate proofs exist on « thin » paper as opposed to India Paper as indicated in Unitrade 2018 page 696. There is one described as such listed on EBay. The colour may be off because of the photo. Too green for my liking. It might be a colour variation? To me, it looks this may have been a legitimate stamp with perforations trimmed off to make it look like a plate proof. I see this on both sides of imagine. On both front and back views. Any thoughts? any info about plate proofs would be most helpful thanks David   |
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Post by Poodle_Mum on Feb 12, 2018 4:45:56 GMT
Does anyone know if NS plate proofs exist on « thin » paper as opposed to India Paper as indicated in Unitrade 2018 page 696. There is one described as such listed on EBay. The colour may be off because of the photo. Too green for my liking. It might be a colour variation? I've never heard of it myself but I've not yet gotten into proofs. If I do, I'll only buy from auction houses such as Eastern. I'd be cautious about proofs and really do a lot of research on them from external sources than catalogues. |
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Post by dgdecker on Feb 12, 2018 5:47:56 GMT
I've never heard of it myself but I've not yet gotten into proofs. If I do, I'll only buy from auction houses such as Eastern. I'd be cautious about proofs and really do a lot of research on them from external sources than catalogues. I have a few proofs and none are on thin paper. Citystamp in Montreal has an extensive inventory of proofs for sale and I find none with thin paper. Will have a look at Eastern as that is where I got some of mine. any thoughts as if it might be a « trimmed » stamp? thanks for your input! david |
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Post by Poodle_Mum on Feb 13, 2018 9:26:24 GMT
If you look closely it's got obvious perfs on all sides - yup, trimmed. I'm thinking a forgery.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Feb 13, 2018 14:41:19 GMT
If you look closely it's got obvious perfs on all sides - yup, trimmed. I'm thinking a forgery. Well, David ( dgdecker), not that any further opinions are really needed, but I'm with Kelly on this one: if you look closely at the stamp, you can definitely see the evidence that the stamp was perforated and trimmed. Beyond that, I don't know for sure. The image looks pretty good to me, but the color is certainly off. Could be a changeling? That can occur for a variety of reasons; everything from excessive exposure to sunlight, too much soaking in water, or even deliberate treatment with chemicals that affect the ink. If I had to guess, as the stamp was already trimmed to make it appear imperforate, and that was certainly intentional, I would surmise that the color was also intentionally altered to try to make collectors think that it was a color trial proof or something. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 18:08:06 GMT
The "proof" is definitely just a trimmed (possibly altered as BG noted) fake but not a forgery. Some many years ago I collected Canadian Provinces and proofs die/color were very inexpensive. Based on major auctions in the US they still sell far below the Unitrade pricing. Anyway, I have never seen any listings for other than India paper although some were affixed to card stock. Here are a few 5c from my archives   Bluish Green trial color proof   Black proof   Color proof with slight color variations I have seen this series in perforated proofs but not the 5c. |
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Post by dgdecker on Feb 13, 2018 18:23:07 GMT
If you look closely it's got obvious perfs on all sides - yup, trimmed. I'm thinking a forgery. Poodlemom, That is what I am thinking. The seller has confirmed that the photo shows it current colour. Says that is due to age and oxidizing. I am ok with that explanation. I cannot find any examples of « thin » paper proofs for sale by any of the established online retailers that I trust. I am glad it’s is not only my eyes that picked up the trimmed perfs. i have asked to seller to advise what catalog was used to establish that this was a plate proof. So far no response. thanks for your help. david |
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Post by dgdecker on Feb 13, 2018 18:34:18 GMT
The "proof" is definitely just a trimmed (possibly altered as BG noted) fake but not a forgery Some many years ago I collected Canadian Provinces and proofs die/color were very inexpensive. Based on major auctions in the US they still sell far below the Unitrade pricing. Anyway I have never seen any listings for other than India paper although some were affixed to card stock. Here are a few 5c from my archives: Bluish Green trial color proof; Black proof; Color proof with slight color variations I have seen this series in perforated proofs but not the 5c Thanks for your insights. From my first look, I felt something was not right. Cannot find any references the proofs on "thin" paper. |
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Post by dgdecker on Feb 14, 2018 0:07:07 GMT
The one question that came to mind, as I've said, I don't have any proofs is that I've only heard of them being on harder paper, something similar to cardstock. I've never heard of a proof with perfs. Never crossed my mind to consider a fake. Learn something new everyday. I have been looking through old auction/ sales catalogs and there has not been a « thin » proof listed for sale in the last 25 years in North America. I have suggested to the seller he change his listing description to « possible proof » and to mention the perf remmenants. I think potential bidders need to know this so an informed decision to bid can be made. I am considering it to be a fake and have bid accordingly. david |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2018 13:50:28 GMT
My only proof with perfs  Certified by Canadian Greene foundation I believe these were trade sample trial color proofs and they came in a variety of colors on grayish paper Made by American Bank Note. If I remember right, this would have been about $20 Trimming these would probably not have worked as all the samples I have seen, there was no room to cut them. Somewhere on my project list, I will do a NS article - I believe I have enough material??? |
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Post by dgdecker on Feb 14, 2018 19:12:26 GMT
My only proof with perfs Certified by Canadian Greene foundation I believe these were trade sample trial color proofs and they came in a variety of colors on grayish paper Made by American Bank Note. If I remember right, this would have been about $20 Trimming these would probably not have worked as all the samples I have seen, there was no room to cut them. Somewhere on my project list, I will do a NS article - I believe I have enough material??? I need to add proofs with perfs to my "I want, I need" list. Wonder where I will find the budget for that? |
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Post by Poodle_Mum on Feb 15, 2018 2:04:02 GMT
Gorgeous detail - that's a beauty. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2018 15:14:21 GMT
Does anyone know if NS plate proofs exist on "thin" paper as opposed to India Paper as indicated in Unitrade 2018 page 696. There is one described as such listed on eBay. Initially, I would have suspected that the proofs were on India paper only since it doesn't absorb well and provides a cleaner impression. However, doing some research on Nova Scotia, I came across another type of relatively unknown proofs on ordinary paper. These proofs are known as "Goodall Proofs" Theory states that: 1. They were produced for visitors by James Goodall (president of the American Bank Note Company) on a hand printing press in his office 2. They were salesman samples made by the ABN Co A sample of a Goodall   Image source: bnaproofs.com/goodall.html |
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Post by dgdecker on Mar 5, 2018 2:43:45 GMT
Does anyone know if NS plate proofs exist on « thin » paper as opposed to India Paper as indicated in Unitrade 2018 page 696. There is one described as such listed on EBay. These proofs are known as "Goodall Proofs" and theory states that; 1. They were produced for visitors by James Goodall (president of the American Bank Note Company) on a hand printing press in his office 2. They were salesman samples made by the ABN Co A sample of a Goodall A wonderful example. Glad to know of proofs on non-India paper do exist. Something else to look for. |
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Post by renden on Feb 25, 2021 22:45:00 GMT
This plate proof should be a nice addition to the collection - bought today  |
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Post by dgdecker on Feb 26, 2021 15:31:13 GMT
This plate proof should be a nice addition to the collection - bought today A nice addition. |
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Post by renden on Mar 8, 2021 17:38:45 GMT
Another Nova Scotia Page  |
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Post by renden on Apr 30, 2021 20:21:46 GMT
At times, one can be repetitive, so many threads so: a pair of nice proofs  |
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Post by hdm1950 on Dec 2, 2022 21:38:23 GMT
Another arrival today was my first real dive into proofs and trial colours of Nova Scotia stamps. I do have one other proof I may share later as I try to understand them more. The first pair on the left are Unitrade 9TCiii on card in the dark slate violet with SPECIMEN in red; then a pair of Unitrade 10P on India paper and last a single Unitrade 12P proof on card.  |
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Post by renden on Dec 2, 2022 22:01:10 GMT
Another arrival today was my first real dive into proofs and trial colours of Nova Scotia stamps. I do have one other proof I may share later as I try to understand them more. The first pair on the left are Unitrade 9TCiii on Indian card in the dark slate violet with SPECIMEN in red; then a pair of Unitrade 10P on paper and last a single Unitrade 12P proof on card.  Great stuff HUGH !! I only have the 19Pii specimen in N.S. album and love it valued at $100 in the 2021 Unitrade cat - I do not remember where I got it but my Nova Scotia page is proud to have it I envy yours - buying "proofs" is somewhat a specialty interest of ours - I have proofs for New Brunswick (from 1918 cat-CV has not changed in the 2023 catalog))- I will show in this post Congrats !! René   |
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Post by dgdecker on Dec 3, 2022 2:55:11 GMT
Another arrival today was my first real dive into proofs and trial colours of Nova Scotia stamps. I do have one other proof I may share later as I try to understand them more. The first pair on the left are Unitrade 9TCiii on Indian card in the dark slate violet with SPECIMEN in red; then a pair of Unitrade 10P on paper and last a single Unitrade 12P proof on card. An amazing acquisition! I have two of those. It is getting pricey these days. David |
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Post by hdm1950 on Dec 3, 2022 21:39:09 GMT
Further to my post yesterday in regards proofs and trial colours I am now trying to better understand the difference between proofs on Indian paper and on card. Unitrade states that all Nova Scotia proofs are on Indian paper yet they do show up on card stock as well. On line sales often do not differentiate. Unitrade does not appear to have a separate number for those on card. When I acquired my 3 different proofs this week I had forgotten that I already had .10 Unitrade 12P on Indian paper. It was no big deal as I knew I could sell the duplicate on eBay. When the lots arrived yesterday I discovered that the .10 12P was on card stock and I quite like it so I plan to keep it. There is a slight shade difference but not enough that would make me think that it could be a 12TC instead of a 12P. Any thoughts from those with experience with proofs would be appreciated. The image below shows my Unitrade 12 .10 vermillion on white (possibly yellow but I think it is just toned a bit) paper on the left, the Unitrade 12P on Indian paper is in the centre and of course the one on card stock on the right.  |
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Post by dgdecker on Mar 30, 2023 2:25:02 GMT
Newest arrival Unitrade 9TCiii on Indian card in the dark slate violet with SPECIMEN in red. i won this in an auction for $US20.00 A really good deal. I do not think the seller knew what this was. I had put in a bid for much more than the $20. After winning, I contacted the seller to offer a bit more. It was not advertised as a proof bit just as imperf pair. Seller declined my offer. He was surprised that I had even contacted him to suggest this. It is not often I worry about underpaying for something.  |
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Post by hdm1950 on Apr 12, 2023 20:51:44 GMT
These proofs and trial colours were new arrivals to me last week. The black on the left is a Unitrade 8Pv which appears to be a variety that was recognized and documented since 2000 which is the date of my catalogue (maybe I will update  ). It has a faded gold specimen which is common for this variety. That may explain it's late recognition. It is a diagonal and passes over the back of her neck. It came with a 2013 Greene certification. The green is Unitrade 8TCv and the dark violet is Unitrade 8TCx with a portion of the imprint.  I am including a scan of the certificate for the 8Pv. It is hard to pick up the specimen but in natural light I can see it. Hopefully it does not fade anymore until I decide to sell it one day.  |
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Post by hdm1950 on Aug 4, 2023 21:34:32 GMT
The last of this weeks arrivals are these proofs and trial colours. The block of four contains 2 Unitrade 8Pi and 2 8Pii. The singles include a 10TC (trial colour black); 11P and a 13P.  |
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Post by dgdecker on Aug 5, 2023 16:34:40 GMT
The last of this weeks arrivals are these proofs and trial colours. The block of four contains 2 Unitrade 8Pi and 2 8Pii. The singles include a 10TC (trial colour black); 11P and a 13P.  What a nice group. I wish my budget support my “need” to have that “specimen “ overprint. David |
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Post by hdm1950 on Sept 1, 2023 20:24:02 GMT
Here is the VARIO sheet of Nova Scotia proofs and trial colours that I have managed to accumulate over the past 9 months. The clippings are from the auction catalogues that some were bought. Prices are the auction house estimates or current Unitrade catalogue values and not what I paid. For now I just find it helpful to have that information. With the trial colours they make for a nice colourful display.  |
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). It has a faded gold specimen which is common for this variety. That may explain it's late recognition. It is a diagonal and passes over the back of her neck. It came with a 2013 Greene certification.