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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Jun 23, 2024 19:37:27 GMT
Heck, any kind of 22 ring binder that's US Letter, A4, or Scott size.
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Jun 24, 2024 11:57:57 GMT
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Jun 24, 2024 12:09:29 GMT
I'm an impatient PITA. Ordered a binder, a hole punch and some A4 cream cardstock. We'll see how it goes.
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Jun 24, 2024 13:13:41 GMT
So, this is interesting. I took my 2022 Ukraine supplement I laid out for Scott size paper and redid the entire thing in A4 size, and it did not increase the page count by even one page.
And the 30 hole punch puts the holes much closer to the edge of the page, so I have much smaller margins. I'm looking forward to printing out some pages tomorrow and seeing what it all looks like.
I'll post some pictures.
And I was wrong about the paper. Amazon had a decent selection of A4 size paper.
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Jun 25, 2024 19:10:17 GMT
The binder arrived and so did the hole punch. But the paper did not. Amazon still says it's arriving today, but it hasn't even shipped yet.
I ordered another brand of paper that should arrive tomorrow morning. We'll see how it goes.
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Jun 26, 2024 0:44:22 GMT
I made a few sheets of my own A4 paper by cutting down some crappy US Legal size paper I had that's 20 lb. white. I did as 30 hole punch, and punched the wrong side of the facing page.
This is what a 30 ring binder looks like with stamp pages in it.
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Jun 26, 2024 2:25:35 GMT
If you look at the picture, you'll see a cream colored piece of paper.
An A4 piece of paper is 210mm×297mm in size. But the binder can safely hold a piece of paper that 235mm×297mm. This gives you an extra 25mm of page width to work with, potentially fitting more stamps on a page. I took a Scott-size page and trimmed it to 235mm to confirm.
I like this, but I'm once again wandering into the custom paper size territory, requiring a print shop to cut down pages to the proper size.
I like the 30 ring binder and I like the much smaller holes. According to my research, 30 ring binders are quite common in Japan. So I should be able to easily to get A4 size 30 ring binders from any number of Japanese stationary suppliers.
This binder says it can hold 200 pages. They make a slightly wider binder that says it will hold 250 pages.
If I could get a couple of cheap pieces of 11×17 paper, I could cut my own 235mm×297mm paper and try it out.
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Jun 28, 2024 2:37:53 GMT
3 days later and the original paper I ordered still hasn't shipped.
The new paper I got came in 2 days ago. It's 32 lb./ 160 gsm cream/ivory colored paper. I printed some pages out. I'll try and post some pictures tomorrow of what it looks like inside the binder.
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Jun 29, 2024 16:01:34 GMT
Here's a pic of the open binder with 2 pages of 160 gsm cream colored paper.
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Jun 29, 2024 16:02:51 GMT
I'm not a huge fan of the hole punch. I'm thinking of getting 30 ring A4 sheet protectors and see how that goes. Might make things a lot easier.
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Post by rod222 on Jun 30, 2024 2:14:26 GMT
I'm not a huge fan of the hole punch. I'm thinking of getting 30 ring A4 sheet protectors and see how that goes. Might make things a lot easier. I have used 4 ring A4 sheet protectors for 15 years Not come across any negatives thus far. 30 ring polypropylene sheet protectors are extremely cheap. Unsure if they come in "clear" most seem to have a hazy finish. Good Luck
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Jun 30, 2024 13:19:56 GMT
I'm not a huge fan of the hole punch. I'm thinking of getting 30 ring A4 sheet protectors and see how that goes. Might make things a lot easier. I have used 4 ring A4 sheet protectors for 15 years Not come across any negatives thus far. 30 ring polypropylene sheet protectors are extremely cheap. Unsure if they come in "clear" most seem to have a hazy finish. Good Luck Mine arrive from Amazon today. We'll see how it goes.
I watched a video (OK, a few videos) on metric paper sizes, and, once again, the metric system is superior to the US/Imperial system. Every metric paper size is the same ratio at the size smaller than it. So, if you have a book layed out in A4, you can simply reduce the book by a certain percentage and it will perfectly fit on an A5 piece of paper, or A6. US paper measurements don't work that way.
It also appears that paper in metric countries is thicker. Stand printer paper, from what I can see by looking at amazon.co.uk is 80 gsm, which translates to just under 30 lb. In the US, most standard printer paper is 20 lb, which is about 54 gsm.
The added length of an A4 page, which is really just 14.6 mm seems just enough to allow me to get an extra row of stamps on a page. Pages that had only one souvenir sheet on them, will let me fit 2 sometimes. This helps reduce page count and overall album thickness.
And to loop back around to what started this topic…
I have been looking for multi-ring binders since I got back into the hobby and learned of the existence of the Scott Platinum and it's 13 ring binder. When I did a search for multi-ring binders, I kept getting results for 22 ring A5 binders. So I assumed that 22 rings was some kind of standard. I didn't know that in A4 size, the binders are 30 ring. I found 30-ring A4 Japanese binders on jetpens.com, but they were very thin and has floppy exteriors. But now that I knew 30-ring binders existed, I found the binder I'm using now on Amazon US.
They're not very big. but they are pretty cheap, at $6.90/binder. The cover is also made of recycled paper that's glued together, so I know it will be pretty rigid. Shipping to my house is US$9.00, so it only makes sense to get these if I buy more than one of them.
The "ideal" 30-ring binder may be the Maruman FILE30 with the larger ring size, but I can't find anyone selling that one in the US.
The ones Amazon sells are slightly smaller:
And I just found these, for people that really like their binders thick:
I'll keep looking for a US supplier that has those other sizes.
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Post by rod222 on Jun 30, 2024 19:44:56 GMT
Yes those 30 ring in first image are small, with Protective covers, I doubt you will get more than 5 years to a binder.
The medium looks OK The larger, I find the pages sag, however I am using a lighter weight page.
The Good points I find with protective sleeves are: One can store 2 pages to one sleeve
(Using Steiner Pages) I can print and mount say GB 1998 Page #4 and pop it into the binder There is no printing out huge volumes of blank pages Inserting another page 2 months later is a walk in the park
As a WW collector, one has to be well organised. I print out say one page (any page) of say Cuba 1998 Pop it into the sleeve, and use that as a store for all Cuba 1998 stamps that arrive I only print out appropriate 1998 pages when I have enough stamps to fill most of an album page.
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Post by madbaker on Jun 30, 2024 20:12:28 GMT
I print out say one page (any page) of say Cuba 1998 Pop it into the sleeve, and use that as a store for all Cuba 1998 stamps that arrive I only print out appropriate 1998 pages when I have enough stamps to fill most of an album page.    This is fascinating. Do you hinge the all on the 1998 page, Rod, or just put them in the plastic sleeve?
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Post by rod222 on Jun 30, 2024 20:40:13 GMT
madbakerHi Mark No, just pop them into a sleeve, I am fortunate to live in a climate where , gum problems are very few. These random scans should illustrate, remembering, Worldwide collecting (without limits) is a form of madness No soul alive could manage it without some form of random hoarding. What it does do however, keep all relevant material in an easily found location. The next caretaker of my collection, will not have to "sort" the stamps. Some random Austria scanned through protective sleeves ![](https://i.ibb.co/Y2L6Q87/Austria-through-protective-sheets.jpg) url=https://ibb.co/jr3h479] ![](https://i.ibb.co/mchJzQr/Austria-through-protective-sheets-01.jpg) [/url] ![](https://i.ibb.co/zXYH6rS/Austria-through-protective-sheets-02.jpg)
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Jul 1, 2024 0:55:17 GMT
Yes those 30 ring in first image are small, with Protective covers, I doubt you will get more than 5 years to a binder. The medium looks OK The larger, I find the pages sag, however I am using a lighter weight page. The Good points I find with protective sleeves are: One can store 2 pages to one sleeve (Using Steiner Pages) I can print and mount say GB 1998 Page #4 and pop it into the binder There is no printing out huge volumes of blank pages Inserting another page 2 months later is a walk in the park As a WW collector, one has to be well organised. I print out say one page (any page) of say Cuba 1998 Pop it into the sleeve, and use that as a store for all Cuba 1998 stamps that arrive I only print out appropriate 1998 pages when I have enough stamps to fill most of an album page. Back in the 90s i started to use White Ace album pages and binders. I believe those binders have a 1" spine. I REALLY liked the smaller binders. They were easier to handle and flip through. So, I'm OK with only getting 5 years in a binder. Of course the farther back you go in time. the more years you will fit in a binder. The amount of stamps postal authorities issues seems to be inversely proportional to the number of first class letters sent.
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Jul 3, 2024 2:52:29 GMT
So, a few more updates. I bought a new 30 hole punch:
This card "binding punch" is so much easier to use than the old hole punch.
I'm returning the old one. It's $5.00 more than the old punch I had, but worth it considering how convenient it is.
And some printing info.
Since I own both an inkjet and a laser printer, I tried printing pages in both.
Using the black and white setting, the laser printer produced much crisper and clearer text than the inkjet.
But the inkjet produced much nicer looking stamp images.
Since the images eventually get covered over with stamps. does having nicer images actually matter?
Other points of discussion when it comes to printers:
Laser printers can cause paper to curl. From talking with some printer technicians online, I learned that there are three main causes for this: consumer laser printers having very short and windy paper paths, the temperature of the fuser, and paper absorbing moisture/humidity from the air.
So, not much you can do about the paper path. Much larger "office printers" have a much longer paper path, because the printers are larger. This allows the paper to stay flat longer and cool more before they shoot out of the printer allowing the paper to stay flatter. But most printers that are capable of ejecting nice flat laser printers are usually too big to fit in a house, and don't usually do double sided printing.
Depending on the settings of your printer driver, you may be able to control fuser temperature. But the thicker your paper, the hotter the fuser will need to be to get the toner to adhere to the page. So this requires experimentation.
The technician suggesting something interesting about moisture in the air. He told me to buy some desiccant packs, and throw one pack in the printer tray in an open area that won't interfere in the paper path. Also, if possible, store your paper in an air tight container, or at least a container with a snap lid with some desiccant packs inside.
Of course the inkjet never curled the paper. But it also didn't produce a nice crisp dark black unless I set the printer for inkjet paper and the print quality to best.
And now you get to the age old question of laser vs inkjet.
Laser printers are cheap to operate. And they produce amazing crisp hi-dpi output. But the pages may curl, and you're basically melting plastic onto a piece of paper to create your output. There's the potential for the laser printed output to start to flake off at some distant point in the future.
Inkjet printers are more expensive to operate. They produce very nice output, but that output is paper dependent and also uses a lot of ink. But the paper has ink on it that either dyes the fibers, or dries on top of the fibers and kind of grips the fibers. It's not going anywhere once it dries.
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Post by rod222 on Jul 3, 2024 5:29:08 GMT
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Since the images eventually get covered over with stamps. does having nicer images actually matter?
Opinion Absolutely ! if, for any reason, the album / pages are introduced to humidity, the inkjet images will bleed to the stamp.
Bearing in mind, humidity and pressure (albums stored on their side / pressed tightly between bookends) will (and I have seen it numerous times) transfer the image of the album page, into the gum of a mint stamp.
I am not a fan of an image, at an album page location, unless intending to use mounts.
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Post by DrewM on Jul 3, 2024 7:42:24 GMT
I'm not quite sure why after starting to look for 22-ring binders you ended up with 30-ring binders. It reminds me of going to the market for apples, corn, and milk and coming home with cupcakes, beer, and "what else was I supposed to get?" I also don't like the look of that enormous number of rings at all. To me, it's strangely weird. And I use a lot of 22-ring binders whose look I do like very much -- much better than American 3-ring binders which, to me, are just too odd for stamp albums because they look like school binders from when I was in junior high school, not like serious stamp albums for a mature person (the one I hope to be some day!).
The 22-ring binder is one of the standards in Europe, and although each album maker also uses their own standard number of rings to try to force collectors to stick with only their brand of annual page supplements rather than buying a competitor's brand and only their blank page, the 22-ring binder is very common. Some albums, mostly blank albums, are also available with 4 rings or even 2 rings, but the mainstream printed albums are generally either the standard 2-post style as with Davo, the album maker's own propietary ring binder with whatever number of rings they've chosen to use, or the 22-ring binder which seems a more general standard across a lot of Europe. The Italian album maker Marini uses 22-ring binders and pages. So does the French album maker Yvert et Tellier. 22-ring binders are also commonly used in Britain and made and sold by Stanley Gibbons as well as by good stamp shops like Dauwalder's and others. I think the SG classic British albums use 22 rings. Clearly, 22-rings is one of the most common types of albums in Europe. By way of contrast, I had never even heard of 30 ring binders until now, and I've looked for years at stamp albums around the world.
But can you get 22-ring paper? Yes, you can, and it's easy from any of these sources. I've purchased enormous boxes of Marini 22-hole blank paper from Italy on their website and it's gotten here just fine in a couple of weeks with no problem. I don't speak Italian in any way, but finding the blank paper was easy and their are pictures even for one-language dopes like me. I also purchased a smaller amount of Yvert 22-hole paper to compare with it, and it arrived very fast as well. Shipping charges are not cheap, but not too awful, either, a little more than U.S. shipping charges but those can be pretty high, too, so I'm not bothered much by shipping things from Europe. I've also bought lots of 22-ring binders and paper from Dauwalder's in the UK and it comes fairly fast. It's on their website. So blank 22-ring paper is pretty easy to get ahold of, but it has to come from Europe as few (maybe no) U.S. sellers have it.
What about hole punching for your own blank pages? Apparently, 22-hole punches are standard in some industrial processes -- for what, I don't know, but they are out there. This means that these 22-hole punches are sometimes for sale on Ebay. I've owned two, both made entirely of metal (not plastic), and very heavy duty, looking like they'll last my lifetime and beyond. I still have the better of them. It's a normal size hole punch that can punch a few pages at a time with no problem. I've even punched some Scott Specialty pages with 22-holes and when I do this, the existing Scott holes kind of disappear among the other holes when you do that. The result is pretty decent looking 22-hole pages. Though I haven't done it yet, I could put together and entire Scott Specialty album for some country in multiple volumes of Marini binders. I should mention I have dozens of very nice Marini 22-ring binders that I bought from Subway Stamp Shop on clearance. Marini are very nice binders and are also available from the same sellers or from European Ebay. Each holds only about 60 pages, so you'll need more than you might think. With slipcases, too.
I say this FYI and by way of comparison. I'm very much not a fan of three-ring stamp albums, though the smaller green Scott 3-ring binder is pretty decent and I have a few I plan to use. And the smaller "normal" size padded Scott 3-ring binders for computer size paper is a very nice, inexpensive binder. I use a few of them for my UN collection on White Ace pages and my Ireland collection, too. wish I liked the 8.5 x 11" pages size more than I do, but I'm slowly getting to like it -- kind of.
What size you use, be sure it's sustainable. You need to be able to buy paper that fits, and have access to additional binders as well as a hole punch for any additional pages not already punched for that many rings. This is the reason most people settle for whatever their local standard album is. It's jut easier. But it's also possible to buy from Europe as I've done many times from the UK and Italy with no problem at all. It's a global economy, so no need to limit yourself only to what's available from the U.S. And whatever you do, have fun.
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Jul 3, 2024 12:56:39 GMT
I'm not quite sure why after starting to look for 22-ring binders you ended up with 30-ring binders. It reminds me of going to the market for apples, corn, and milk and coming home with cupcakes, beer, and "what else was I supposed to get?" I also don't like the look of that enormous number of rings at all. To me, it's strangely weird. And I use a lot of 22-ring binders whose look I do like very much -- much better than American 3-ring binders which, to me, are just too odd for stamp albums because they look like school binders from when I was in junior high school, not like serious stamp albums for a mature person (the one I hope to be some day!). The 22-ring binder is one of the standards in Europe, and although each album maker also uses their own standard number of rings to try to force collectors to stick with only their brand of annual page supplements rather than buying a competitor's brand and only their blank page, the 22-ring binder is very common. Some albums, mostly blank albums, are also available with 4 rings or even 2 rings, but the mainstream printed albums are generally either the standard 2-post style as with Davo, the album maker's own propietary ring binder with whatever number of rings they've chosen to use, or the 22-ring binder which seems a more general standard across a lot of Europe. The Italian album maker Marini uses 22-ring binders and pages. So does the French album maker Yvert et Tellier. 22-ring binders are also commonly used in Britain and made and sold by Stanley Gibbons as well as by good stamp shops like Dauwalder's and others. I think the SG classic British albums use 22 rings. Clearly, 22-rings is one of the most common types of albums in Europe. By way of contrast, I had never even heard of 30 ring binders until now, and I've looked for years at stamp albums around the world. But can you get 22-ring paper? Yes, you can, and it's easy from any of these sources. I've purchased enormous boxes of Marini 22-hole blank paper from Italy on their website and it's gotten here just fine in a couple of weeks with no problem. I don't speak Italian in any way, but finding the blank paper was easy and their are pictures even for one-language dopes like me. I also purchased a smaller amount of Yvert 22-hole paper to compare with it, and it arrived very fast as well. Shipping charges are not cheap, but not too awful, either, a little more than U.S. shipping charges but those can be pretty high, too, so I'm not bothered much by shipping things from Europe. I've also bought lots of 22-ring binders and paper from Dauwalder's in the UK and it comes fairly fast. It's on their website. So blank 22-ring paper is pretty easy to get ahold of, but it has to come from Europe as few (maybe no) U.S. sellers have it. What about hole punching for your own blank pages? Apparently, 22-hole punches are standard in some industrial processes -- for what, I don't know, but they are out there. This means that these 22-hole punches are sometimes for sale on Ebay. I've owned two, both made entirely of metal (not plastic), and very heavy duty, looking like they'll last my lifetime and beyond. I still have the better of them. It's a normal size hole punch that can punch a few pages at a time with no problem. I've even punched some Scott Specialty pages with 22-holes and when I do this, the existing Scott holes kind of disappear among the other holes when you do that. The result is pretty decent looking 22-hole pages. Though I haven't done it yet, I could put together and entire Scott Specialty album for some country in multiple volumes of Marini binders. I should mention I have dozens of very nice Marini 22-ring binders that I bought from Subway Stamp Shop on clearance. Marini are very nice binders and are also available from the same sellers or from European Ebay. Each holds only about 60 pages, so you'll need more than you might think. With slipcases, too. I say this FYI and by way of comparison. I'm very much not a fan of three-ring stamp albums, though the smaller green Scott 3-ring binder is pretty decent and I have a few I plan to use. And the smaller "normal" size padded Scott 3-ring binders for computer size paper is a very nice, inexpensive binder. I use a few of them for my UN collection on White Ace pages and my Ireland collection, too. wish I liked the 8.5 x 11" pages size more than I do, but I'm slowly getting to like it -- kind of. What size you use, be sure it's sustainable. You need to be able to buy paper that fits, and have access to additional binders as well as a hole punch for any additional pages not already punched for that many rings. This is the reason most people settle for whatever their local standard album is. It's jut easier. But it's also possible to buy from Europe as I've done many times from the UK and Italy with no problem at all. It's a global economy, so no need to limit yourself only to what's available from the U.S. And whatever you do, have fun. What I was really looking for was a binder with more than 3 rings. Which is quite the challenge in the United States. I cannot find a 122-ring binder for sale anywhere in the US. I found Stanley Gibbons binders on their website, and they would ship to the US. But all their 22-ring binders were out of stock.
And I have the same problem with 22-ring hole punches. They don't exist in the US.
The US uses standard 3-ring binders for everything.
My first attempt to find a binder with more than 3 rings was the Scott Platinum binder, which has 13 rings. But that binder has long been discontinued, and the only other binder I could find was the Lighthouse DE binder. 13 rings and a slip case. But it costs between US$80-US$90 per binder and I didn't haver any luck finding a 13-ring hole punch.
Knowing that at least Stanley Gibbons made 22-ring binders, I went down that rabbit hole. But getting 22-ring binder and 22-ring hold punches in the US is next to impossible.
But 30-ring binders are far easier to get. It seems 30-ring binders are pretty common in Japan. And there are quite a few suppliers in the US that specialize in Japanese stationary. And one of them is Amazon.
So, I can easily get a 30-ring binder, a 30-ring hole punch and A4 size paper from Amazon and have it on my doorstep in 24-48 hours here in the US at a reasonable price.. Getting 22-ring binders in the US is a lot harder. I'd need to order from Europe and pay pretty high shipping rates.
If I want to go with a binder that has more than 3 rings in the US, the 30-ring binder is my path of least resistance.
Where did you get a 22-hole punch from?
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Post by clivel on Jul 3, 2024 17:59:45 GMT
What I was really looking for was a binder with more than 3 rings. Which is quite the challenge in the United States. I cannot find a 122-ring binder for sale anywhere in the US. I found Stanley Gibbons binders on their website, and they would ship to the US. But all their 22-ring binders were out of stock. The Stanley Gibbons 22 ring pages and binders are now distributed by Dauwalders.
I am perfectly happy with the Sandringham, which is the cheapest. Unfortunately, these are currently out of stock, but should probably be back soon (one can always email them to confirm when). in the meantime the Kensingtons are available, although a little more expensive. Either way I like to add a slipcase, it look so much more professional and does a great job of reducing the amount of dust on the pages.
I use their 140gsm (RBL-140) pre-punched blank pages which are a pleasing light cream colour, but if you prefer something heavier they also offer these in 240gsm (RBL-240).
Unfortunately, one has to deal with the additional cost of international mail, but for those of us in Canada who would otherwise have to order from the US, shipping from the UK is not that much more expensive.
Clive
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Jul 3, 2024 19:46:12 GMT
What I was really looking for was a binder with more than 3 rings. Which is quite the challenge in the United States. I cannot find a 122-ring binder for sale anywhere in the US. I found Stanley Gibbons binders on their website, and they would ship to the US. But all their 22-ring binders were out of stock. The Stanley Gibbons 22 ring pages and binders are now distributed by Dauwalders.
I am perfectly happy with the Sandringham, which is the cheapest. Unfortunately, these are currently out of stock, but should probably be back soon (one can always email them to confirm when). in the meantime the Kensingtons are available, although a little more expensive. Either way I like to add a slipcase, it look so much more professional and does a great job of reducing the amount of dust on the pages.
I use their 140gsm (RBL-140) pre-punched blank pages which are a pleasing light cream colour, but if you prefer something heavier they also offer these in 240gsm (RBL-240).
Unfortunately, one has to deal with the additional cost of international mail, but for those of us in Canada who would otherwise have to order from the US, shipping from the UK is not that much more expensive.
Clive
So, you don't own a 22-ring hole punch?
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Jul 3, 2024 20:14:10 GMT
I'm looking at these prices. The Sandringham binder costs US$30 plus shipping. And the paper costs US$11.40 for 25 sheets. Plus whatever shipping is going to cost from the UK to the US. And there is no 22 hole punch available. That's going to get very expensive very quickly. I don't see much of an aesthetic difference between 22-ring and 30-ring binder rings. Obviously you do. The things I want most from a more-than-3-ring system is:
- Lots of rings, which makes page turns smoother
- Much smaller holes
- Holes much closer to the edge of the page
I can get those things from either a 22-ring or a 30-ring binder.
I think the Stanley Gibbons binders look fancier than the Maruman I bought. And for some people it's probably worth the added expense. But the idea of not having a 22-ring hold punch so i can choose the paper I want to use is not something I am comfortable with. I'm sure there are 22-ring hole punches out there somewhere, but I can't find them using the search tools available to me here in the US.
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Jul 3, 2024 20:21:36 GMT
Quote: Since the images eventually get covered over with stamps. does having nicer images actually matter? Opinion Absolutely ! if, for any reason, the album / pages are introduced to humidity, the inkjet images will bleed to the stamp. Bearing in mind, humidity and pressure (albums stored on their side / pressed tightly between bookends) will (and I have seen it numerous times) transfer the image of the album page, into the gum of a mint stamp. I am not a fan of an image, at an album page location, unless intending to use mounts. That is a valid point.
I've been experimenting with layered PDFs where the images are on their own layer. When you print, you can choose which layers you want printed and can just turn off the images layer. This will also save you ink/toner.
The only problem with using layers is that the only 2 PDF readers that support them are Adobe Reader and FoxIt Reader.
One problem I face is with Scribus. It won't let you group things on different layers together (I don't know if other desktop publishing apps will let you do it or not). So I need to finish the pages and then ungroup absolutely everything, select all the images and put them on their own layer. I'm going to experiment and see how long that takes.
The reason why I put images on my Ukraine pages is for identification. Since Ukraine uses the Cyrillic alphabet, it's not so easy for someone to see a stamp name in US English and then know which stamp it is. The MICHEL numbers help, but I don't expect everyone to own a MICHEL catalog. Layers may be a good solution, if it doesn't take too long to implement.
If I go real crazy I could do layers for different catalogs, so you could turn off MICHEL and turn on SG or Colnect SN (aka AA).
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Post by clivel on Jul 3, 2024 21:49:31 GMT
So, you don't own a 22-ring hole punch?
I do not and have never seen the need. I am perfectly happy with the Gibbons pages which come pre-punched. Admittedly they are not cheap, but because most of the issuing entities I collect are fairly small, and also because I generally cut off at the end of Colonial or Pre-decimal periods, I don't have to contend with the hundreds of stamps printed in the 70's and onwards, so paper is not a huge expense for me. To my taste, 22 rings look a lot less bulky than 30, but tastes vary, here is one of the pages which I previously posted on this forum. Clive
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Jul 4, 2024 2:24:29 GMT
Quote The reason why I put images on my Ukraine pages is for identification. Since Ukraine uses the Cyrillic alphabet, it's not so easy for someone to see a stamp name in US English and then know which stamp it is. The MICHEL numbers help, but I don't expect everyone to own a MICHEL catalog. Layers may be a good solution, if it doesn't take too long to implement. Good point! Actually I need to expand on my opinion, I actually do like album page images but not on my own, printed pages (steiner) I often cut out album page images from old stamp albums as quick identifiers of early issues. I guess, if one worries about moisture damage, the collector is really not experienced. I just have awkward moment using inkjet, when I was beginning collecting, (smudges etc) Since using laser, I have not looked back, bearing in mind I only use Black / white and greyscale. ![](https://i.ibb.co/TPYxC3z/cuba-1947-page028-tsf.jpg)
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Post by PostmasterGS on Jul 4, 2024 3:09:43 GMT
Could probably whip up a quick script to ungroup everything, and one to add all the images to a layer.
I use layers on my pages in InDesign. Makes it really easy to quickly export pages with/without catalog numbers and with/without stamp images.
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Andy Pastuszak
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Jul 4, 2024 13:17:19 GMT
Could probably whip up a quick script to ungroup everything, and one to add all the images to a layer. I use layers on my pages in InDesign. Makes it really easy to quickly export pages with/without catalog numbers and with/without stamp images. That's a good idea. I should get coding and see what I can throw together.
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Post by PostmasterGS on Jul 4, 2024 14:22:26 GMT
That's a good idea. I should get coding and see what I can throw together. Andy Pastuszak , You should have an email from me with a link to a quick and dirty first attempt. If you don't receive it, let me know.
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Andy Pastuszak
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Jul 4, 2024 16:46:25 GMT
Got it That's a good idea. I should get coding and see what I can throw together. Andy Pastuszak , You should have an email from me with a link to a quick and dirty first attempt. If you don't receive it, let me know. Got it. Let me test.
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