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Post by marksa1 on Jul 2, 2024 18:01:53 GMT
Hi everyone. My name is Mark. I collect and sell. Mainly Big Blue, British Commonwealth, American, Russian, German, anything of interest. I love history. Started going through French postmarks. Found this interesting one. Not seen square numeral ones like this before. I remember reading about New Year's cancels but only seen small round. Any info on this welcome. Thanks in advance. Regards, Mark.  |
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mberry
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Post by mberry on Jul 2, 2024 19:05:55 GMT
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Jul 2, 2024 19:45:29 GMT
Hi everyone. My name is Mark. I collect and sell. Mainly Big Blue, British Commonwealth, American, Russian, German, anything of interest. I love history. Started going through French postmarks. Found this interesting one. Not seen square numeral ones like this before. I remember reading about New Year's cancels but only seen small round. Any info on this welcome. Thanks in advance. Regards, Mark. Hi Mark welcome to the forum. I can only guess, as I have not seen a "squared" numeral before, no doubt an French Specialist will chip in. As you stated, my "Circled" numerals, are "Obliterations du jour de L'an" (New Years cancellations 1877-1924) I am hesitant to assume yours are the same. PS: Lovely clear scan !  |
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stainlessb
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Post by stainlessb on Jul 2, 2024 19:51:52 GMT
Welcome marksa1 to TSF a very friendly forum A very interesting cancel- In my references I can find a square with letters, but much earlier (1876) before the Semeuse ligneé (1903). Looking at the number designation for post offices, #74 changed from small number to large number cancels... so no clues there. Perhaps semeuse13 will know? keep posting!!! Cheers Stan |
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Post by renden on Jul 2, 2024 19:58:48 GMT
 Mark René Canada
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Post by philatelia on Jul 2, 2024 20:19:11 GMT
Welcome to the group!
So cool to add another collector who looks at cancels - a very popular topic here!
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Post by hrdoktorx on Jul 2, 2024 20:20:16 GMT
to TSF! Interesting introduction to start with a philatelic puzzle!
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Post by gstamps on Jul 3, 2024 5:00:43 GMT
Hello marksa1 and welcome. Postal officials from rural areas (where there were no post offices) took over the mail and applied this type of obliteration. To be corrected if I'm wrong.  |
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Post by marksa1 on Jul 4, 2024 16:24:31 GMT
Hi everyone. My name is Mark. I collect and sell. Mainly Big Blue, British Commonwealth, American, Russian, German, anything of interest. I love history. Started going through French postmarks. Found this interesting one. Not seen square numeral ones like this before. I remember reading about New Year's cancels but only seen small round. Any info on this welcome. Thanks in advance. Regards, Mark. Hi Mark welcome to the forum. I can only guess, as I have not seen a "squared" numeral before, no doubt an French Specialist will chip in. As you stated, my "Circled" numerals, are "Obliterations du jour de L'an" (New Years cancellations 1877-1924) I am hesitant to assume yours are the same. PS: Lovely clear scan ! |
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Post by marksa1 on Jul 4, 2024 16:30:30 GMT
Hi Rod222.
Thank you for the welcome. I have found reference to Squared numeral with a letter but not one with only the numeral. I am looking forward to finding out more about it. Great collection you have there.
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Post by marksa1 on Jul 4, 2024 16:31:08 GMT
Hello marksa1 and welcome. Postal officials from rural areas (where there were no post offices) took over the mail and applied this type of obliteration. To be corrected if I'm wrong. |
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Post by marksa1 on Jul 4, 2024 16:32:34 GMT
Hi Gstamps. Thank you and Thanks so much for information. I am new to this area so it is very welcome.
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Post by marksa1 on Jul 4, 2024 16:33:30 GMT
Welcome marksa1 to TSF a very friendly forum A very interesting cancel- In my references I can find a square with letters, but much earlier (1876) before the Semeuse ligneé (1903). Looking at the number designation for post offices, #74 changed from small number to large number cancels... so no clues there. Perhaps semeuse13 will know? keep posting!!! Cheers Stan |
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Post by marksa1 on Jul 4, 2024 16:41:20 GMT
Thank you so much  |
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Post by marksa1 on Jul 4, 2024 16:42:35 GMT
Mark René Canada Hi Rene'. Thank you very much. It is great to find other like minded enthusiasts here. |
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Post by marksa1 on Jul 4, 2024 16:44:56 GMT
Welcome marksa1 to TSF a very friendly forum A very interesting cancel- In my references I can find a square with letters, but much earlier (1876) before the Semeuse ligneé (1903). Looking at the number designation for post offices, #74 changed from small number to large number cancels... so no clues there. Perhaps semeuse13 will know? keep posting!!! Cheers Stan Hi Stan. I am not sure if I have already responded to your message but think it ended up in the Shoutbox lol. Apologies if i am responding twice. I look forward to the responses about this pretty item. Thanks so much for the input:) |
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Post by marksa1 on Jul 4, 2024 16:47:00 GMT
 Hi everyone. Here is another recently aquired one. Take note there is a larger circular postmark too |
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stainlessb
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Post by stainlessb on Jul 4, 2024 17:15:19 GMT
Hi marksa1 The offset outer cancellation marks looks like there was a lighter cancellation . Maybe the clerk had a change of mind? As mentioned earlier, this could be a New Years cancellation as it is quite possible the Type II Sage above was in circulation in 1901 There is also mention of a Cachet Annexes with a number within a circle, but I'm not finding any date information as to when in use, however, the 5 centime Sage stamp was in use from 1876 until end of 1900 (two catalogue numbers as it was 're-released', Yvert #75 1879 - 1899 and then #102 1898 -1900. I have not found a real plausible explanation why the new catalogue number, as the 102 was also a Type IIB (which was also released under the #75. Perhaps it was though to cause confusion, although without cancellation dates , many of the color shades are difficult to determine (and a date only eliminates color shades appearing later, as there is always the chance of a late usage. |
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Jul 5, 2024 0:51:40 GMT
Hi everyone. Here is another recently aquired one. Take note there is a larger circular postmark too Is it? or, is it part of the frame of the cancelling hammer ? Tis curious, to me. (Oft seen in duplex hammers, a larger outer ring) As I understand it, the postal clerk does not apply the circled numeral, the letter carrier does. Is this correct? |
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Post by gstamps on Jul 5, 2024 17:21:53 GMT
rod222 , the number in the circle was used in Paris and the number represented numerical code for Paris district offices I don't think the letter carrier applies them.  There is a possibility that this type of obliteration (as stainlessb also mentioned) will be used at the beginning of the new year. In the Yvert-Tellier catalog it is mentioned that, due to the very large number of letters, obsolete obliterating devices were also used. 
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Jul 5, 2024 22:30:35 GMT
rod222 , the number in the circle was used in Paris and the number represented numerical code for Paris district offices I don't think the letter carrier applies them. There is a possibility that this type of obliteration (as stainlessb also mentioned) will be used at the beginning of the new year. In the Yvert-Tellier catalog it is mentioned that, due to the very large number of letters, obsolete obliterating devices were also used. Thanks. perhaps an error due to translation, when I researched mine, I was told "Postman's obliterators" Applied due to the large numbers of cards and well wishes communications.  |
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