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Post by solomon on Aug 24, 2024 16:20:43 GMT
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DK
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What I collect: Classic NZ, Closed NZ Post Offices, New Zealand Postal History, Classic Br. Empire, Pacific Islands, France
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Post by DK on Aug 24, 2024 21:50:44 GMT
Hey Solomon
Welcome to TSF.
A great question to start your NZ collection.
My first impression immediately is that this is Scott #32 - or SG114 for us British Empire collectors.
Reasons for me in that immediate conclusion is as follows :
It looks like a Davies print - as opposed to a Richardson. It is not of a worn appearance - as opposed to being worn as most Davies p13 are. It is therefore from plate 2 as opposed to plate 1 which was quite worn by the time Davies stamps were perforated. (The government perforating machine was 1st put to use in June of 1864 - prior to this the Dunedin Postmaster used a local firm in Dunedin to perforate the stamps 13). The perforation holes 'look' larger than the smaller p13 holes p13 stamps are perforated a full 13 all around. Some p12½ stamps measure p12¾ and occasionally p13 vertically
SG has this to say re the perforations :
"The above issue (Nos. 110/125) is sometimes difficult to distinguish from Nos. 68/80 (p13 ones) because the vertical perforations usually gauge p12¾ and sometimes a full 13. However, stamps of this issue (p12½) horizontally, whereas the 1862 stamps (p13) measure a full 13".
So, in my opinion your stamp is Scott 32.
Dave
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Post by solomon on Aug 25, 2024 16:41:46 GMT
Thank you so much for the informative response, Dave! I will keep in mind everything you've mentioned. I am impressed. One more quick question if you don't mind.. Would the 1871 perf 12.5 issues have a similar situation going on? One of my orange 2p is 13.5 x 12.5... It appears much closer to 13.5 than 13.
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DK
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Post by DK on Aug 26, 2024 7:51:33 GMT
Hi Solomon
The new color Chalons (issued from Oct 1871) did not have the p13 applied to them.
The p13 was only applied to early 'Davies' prints from around 1862 - 1864.
Once the Governments own perforating machines came into use from June 1864 there was a declining requirement to use the private firm (Fergusson & Mitchell) in Dunedin.
In 1871 the Government also purchased a Rotary p10 machine and used that in combination with the p12½ 'Line' perforator machines for the 'New' color Chalons.
Hence you will only find Chalons in the new colors perfed 12½, p10, or a combination of these.
I note that the perfs on your 2d Orange are rather crude - perhaps due to the perforating pins being damaged, manual manipulation by somebody or a combination of both of these things. Your 2d will most definitely 'not' be p13.
Dave
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Post by DK on Aug 26, 2024 7:58:12 GMT
And just as a by-the-by, pre-decimal British currency is denoted as 2d for twopence. Decimal currency, since 1971, is denoted as 2p for twopence. Therefore, for the Chalon period up to 1971, 2 pence is denoted 2d (not 2p).
Dave
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Post by solomon on Aug 26, 2024 15:49:39 GMT
And just as a by-the-by, pre-decimal British currency is denoted as 2d for twopence. Decimal currency, since 1971, is denoted as 2p for twopence. Therefore, for the Chalon period up to 1971, 2 pence is denoted 2d (not 2p). Dave Noted! And I understand now. If there is nothing on record showing a perf 13 then it is most likely as you've said. I appreciate your time!
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