stanley64
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Post by stanley64 on Oct 17, 2020 10:58:25 GMT
A new definitive Netherlands stamp set consistency of three values, 1, 2 1/2 & 5 G. was issued between 1926 and 1927. The same set was re-issued in 1930 with both sets being unwatermarked but of two differnt perforations. The highest of three values, the 5 Gulden is shown below, 05 G. 1926 - Perf. 11 1/2 - NVPH n.º 165A, Dark Gray.
05 G. 1930 - Perf. 12 1/2 - NVPH n.º 165B, Dark Gray.
Happy collecting!
P.S. Thanks Robert ( WERT ) for his postings on perforation differences including this one, which gave me the tools for making the comparisons on-line when not always noted ;-) |
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Post by WERT on Oct 18, 2020 0:07:37 GMT
stanley64...Your welcome
I am a fanatic about perforation accuracy, especially Canada and Newfoundland stamps.
I have been working with a gentleman at BNAPS with respect to Newfoundland perforation accuracy on stamps.
I am also involved with a Canada accuracy project with Canada stamps...I found a couple so far...And helped to add the a Catalouge.
EVERYONE..Do not take perforations as law..CHECK all perforations.
Keep up the good work stanley64
Robert
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Post by stainlessb on Oct 18, 2020 0:21:01 GMT
@wert if you'd like a perforation headache, dive into early Austria.... guaranteed fun! stanley64 are the stamps that different in background detail? or is that an artifact of the scanner? I have not noticed this (and will now need to go look!) it also looks like th eimage /frame itself is different? |
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Post by stanley64 on Oct 18, 2020 10:09:50 GMT
I had another look Stan ( stainlessb ) and the stamps are identical in terms of their design. The fine lines of the background, frame, etc. are the same in both examples. Let me see if I can not post better images of the entire set here in the coming days. For now though, I must say these are beautiful stamps and one of the loveliest designs I can recall... Happy collecting! |
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Post by paul1 on Jul 2, 2023 8:13:04 GMT
This looks to be SG 698 - the 1 Gulden red issue from July 1949 - but obviously I'm misreading the date cancellation somehow, which appears to show 27th December 1926 - which can't be correct, so very grateful if anyone can enlighten me please - many thanks. It's a great looking stamp, though I don't normally collect Netherlands, but have hundreds in a box somewhere - this full frontal image of Queen Juliana is a lovely portrait design, and very distinctive. Ahhh - think I've just seen the answer - at the very bottom is what appears to be 1950 or similar - sorry to have bothered people. But, I wonder what the '26' represents?   |
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Post by cursus on Jul 2, 2023 12:44:47 GMT
The "26" could be a PO outlet indication. Furthermore, it wasn't posted on December 27th, but in March 27th.
We, in Continental Europe, write date as "day/month (often in Roman numerals)/ year". But, on some pm, the last figures indicate the hour of posting. So, my guess it that your item was posted on March 27th 1950, at 12 a.m.
But, it's just a guess..
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Post by rod222 on Oct 22, 2023 9:54:12 GMT
The History, Ships and Maritime Cancellations of the (K.N.S.M.)
koninklijke Nederlandische stoomboot Maatschappij,
over 120 years
Philip Cockrill
Maritime Postmark society
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tobben63
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Post by tobben63 on Oct 22, 2023 10:50:17 GMT
This looks to be SG 698 - the 1 Gulden red issue from July 1949 - but obviously I'm misreading the date cancellation somehow, which appears to show 27th December 1926 - which can't be correct, so very grateful if anyone can enlighten me please - many thanks. It's a great looking stamp, though I don't normally collect Netherlands, but have hundreds in a box somewhere - this full frontal image of Queen Juliana is a lovely portrait design, and very distinctive. Ahhh - think I've just seen the answer - at the very bottom is what appears to be 1950 or similar - sorry to have bothered people. But, I wonder what the '26' represents? The year is in the botom of the cancel, 1954 |
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Post by rod222 on Oct 22, 2023 12:17:39 GMT
But, I wonder what the '26' represents?
My guess would be for audit requirements of postal hardware,
a common regime for large offices, ROTTERDAM for instance.
Postal Hammer #26
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Post by tobben63 on Oct 22, 2023 18:21:04 GMT
But, I wonder what the '26' represents? My guess would be for audit requirements of postal hardware, a common regime for large offices, ROTTERDAM for instance. Postal Hammer #26 Or Cancel no 26 in Rotherdam (Main post office). |
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Post by rod222 on Oct 22, 2023 22:31:18 GMT
Thanks Tobben, appreciate the correction.
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Post by tobben63 on Nov 29, 2023 21:15:29 GMT
Mounted the King William III (1817-1890) series. Several different perforations. I was surprised how much I had laying around. Homemade pages by myself, Michel numbers.   |
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salmantino
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Post by salmantino on Jan 15, 2024 8:56:16 GMT
paul1 The cancellation is for 27 March 1954, between 12:00 h (12 a.m.) and 13:00 h (1 p.m). rod222 and tobben63 kind of got it right. The ‘26’ is the hammer number. It is 26th hammer issued to the post office in Rotterdam. But there is a twist, as, actually, this was one of the earliest of this type to be issued to that post office. You can find the information on the site of the ‘Nederlandse Academie voor Filatelie.’  left to right: 'langebalkstempel' (12-hour time indicator), replacement 'kortebalkstempel' (12-hour time indicator), your re-issued 'kortebalkstempel' (24-hour time indicator) before recovery after 10 May 1940. Your type of cancellation is called ‘kortebalkstempel.’ This translates to short-beamed cancellation. The ‘balk’ (beam) is the area that holds the date and time. The ‘kortebalkstempel’ is the successor to the ‘langebalkstempel’ (long-beamed cancellation). The long ‘balk’ in the latter extends to the outer circle. The short ‘balk’ in your example extends to the inner circle. The first ‘langebalkstempel’ was made in Germany issued to the main post office in Rotterdam on 7 August 1907. The 26th hammer was made by the Royal Dutch Mint in March 1907 and issued to the post office in Rotterdam on 29 March 1907. It remained in use from 30 March 1907 until 22 January 1918. It was returned to the Royal Dutch Mint the next day and destroyed. (see leftmost example) The hammer was replaced by a ‘kortebalkstempel.’ A ‘kortebalkstempel’ replacing a ‘langebalkstempel’ had the same sequence number as the hammer it replaced. This new hammer was issued to the post office in Rotterdam on 8 February 1918. The new hammer again had a twelve-hour time slug. The month, now, was in Roman numerals. (see example at centre) At some time between 1918 and May 1940, it was sent back to the Royal Dutch Mint. At that time, the time slug was replaced by a 24-hour type. This hammer may have been among those lost during the bombardment of Rotterdam on 10 May 1940. It, probably, was recovered from the rubble and cleaned at the Royal Dutch Mint. It was sent back to the ‘bureel aankomsten’ (received bureau) and used again from 20 December 1941 until 17 August 1962. During this time, it was used to cancel your NVPH nr. 534. The hammer was considered inadequate on 15 February 1962(?) and returned to the Royal Dutch Mint to be destroyed in April 1963.
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Jan 15, 2024 9:33:04 GMT
paul1Thank you, marvellous history, and a deep knowledge. Saved
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Post by salmantino on Jan 15, 2024 10:21:10 GMT
rod222The earlier Dutch self-adhesive stamps should, easily, be soaked off. The later ones, like Belgian ones: submerge in what we call 'wasbenzine.' After about a minute, the self-adhesive can, easily, be peeled of the paper. Dust the back with talcum powder to prevent gum residue to stick to anything. Clean the front as it will pick up talcum powder. The English version of the Wikipedia page for 'wasbenzine' is 'Coleman fuel,' generically known as white gas. Apparently, when successful in removing the stamps from the piece, you can use the stuff to celebrate your success with a fire dance.
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Post by salmantino on Jan 15, 2024 14:23:27 GMT
Further to the post by paul1 : Correct (as to the year of issue, - edit: - I cannot say what SG number it is.)! This is one of the high 'gulden' values of the first permanent series depicting Queen Juliana. The NVPH catalogue lists the set under numbers 518 - 537. The four high values are numbers 534 -535. The designer of the stamp was Samuel (Sem) Louis Hartz with the typographic elements designd by Jan van Krimpen. SemHartz was one of the most prolific Dutch stamp designers. Permanent stamp sets, often, are known by the name of their designers. Since Sem Hartz designed all three permanent series issued during the reign of Queen Juliana, this particular series is known as 'En Face,' French for 'facing.'  1949 - 1951, Queen Juliana 'En Face', NVPH nrs. 518 - 537 |
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Post by tobben63 on Jan 22, 2024 20:04:13 GMT
Received a lot today with various stamps with the special coil perforations. And some Officials. Michel 151B-159B
 Michel 146B-150B  Michel 268D-271D  Michel 245D-248D  And official Michel D16-D19  |
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Post by salmantino on Jan 22, 2024 21:14:34 GMT
Very nice.
PTT wanted to produce rolls of permanent stamps of the 'Lebau'* and 'Veth' types for use in affixing and vending machines. The rolls were paste-ups of strips taken from ordinary counter sheets. The stamps, however, separated from the rolls in the machines. To solve the problem, pins were removed from the perforation comb for perforating the sheets used to produce the rolls of stamps.
This process was expensive and there was limited demand for stamp rolls. In 1933, the perforation gauge was changed to 13½ x 12¾ and these syncopated perforations were abandoned.
* The design by Chris Lebau depicts a flying pigeon. It is, also, is known as 'flying dove.' 'Flying gull' is a misnomer.
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Post by tobben63 on Jan 24, 2024 18:10:45 GMT
Very nice. PTT wanted to produce rolls of permanent stamps of the 'Lebau'* and 'Veth' types for use in affixing and vending machines. The rolls were paste-ups of strips taken from ordinary counter sheets. The stamps, however, separated from the rolls in the machines. To solve the problem, pins were removed from the perforation comb for perforating the sheets used to produce the rolls of stamps. This process was expensive and there was limited demand for stamp rolls. In 1933, the perforation gauge was changed to 13½ x 12¾ and these syncopated perforations were abandoned. * The design by Chris Lebau depicts a flying pigeon. It is, also, is known as 'flying dove.' 'Flying gull' is a misnomer. Thanks for very useful information. I have ben wondering about that perforation. |
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Post by tobben63 on Jan 24, 2024 18:14:32 GMT
Not so happy today. Received Netherlands Mi no 132, an expencive stamp. But I had a missing perf in upper right corner. Sent a mail to the seller and asked for refund. The missing perf was not described in the auction, and the imge was not that good. Now that I know about the fault I can see it. Here is my images of te stamp.   |
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Post by stanley64 on Jan 24, 2024 18:51:16 GMT
In your image tobben63 , you have shown two of the known varieties for these special coil perforations; more commonly referred to as syncopated perforations or ' Roltandingzegels' in Dutch. The Queen Wilhelmina issues (1924-1926), Type 'Veth' from the image shared are Type A with their two-sided syncopated perforations, whilst the 1931 Child welfare stamps are Type C also with two-sided syncopated perforations, but only on the corners. As one can imagine, there is a third variant - Type B, as shown here in this 6C. 'Veth' issue of 1928 with all four sides having syncopated perforations, Queen Wilhelmina 'Veth', 1928 Watermarked and Type B syncopated perforations (both watermarked and un-watermarked variants of many a 'Veth' exist).
If one were interested, a specialised collected could be easily formed on this one issue alone: mint, used, pairs, partial sheets with selvedge, plate varieties, perfins, covers, the list goes on...
Have fun and happy collecting!
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Post by salmantino on Jan 24, 2024 19:25:20 GMT
Dutch permanent stamps had two appearances: 1. numerals for printed matter and other rates below the basic inland letter rates, including make-up values. 2. an effigy of the monarch from the basic inland letter rate upwards. During the later period of use of the 'Crouwel' numerals, this policy was not fully adhered to. Similarly, the German occupier did not adhere to this policy. You will find most varieties of the 'Veth' type also on the 'Lebau' type. Because the 'Lebau' type stamps outlived the 'Veth' type stamps, you will find a couple more 'Lebau'issues. There, however, is a rare syncopated perforation that only occurs on a 'Veth' type stamp. The 1928 'roltanding' stamps. These had the syncopated perforations on four sides because they were intended to for paste-up rolls with sideways and with vertical delivery.   |
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Post by salmantino on Feb 14, 2024 22:25:35 GMT
In 1930, PTT reverted to a two-sided 'roltanding' of the Lebau and Veth designs. This, however, differed from that of 1926. The pins, only, were removed in the top and bottom corners. The 1926 stamps also had pins removed at the centre of the top and bottom perforation.   |
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Post by rod222 on Feb 24, 2024 1:10:48 GMT
Flags query. Are any members able to explain why..... The Flag worn by the DUYFKEN here is the flag of "South Holland" ? , when the triband of modern Netherlands is flown at the top? The flag / ensign of the "in period" Duyfken is not shown at all. (The positions are correct, but the pertinence of the South Holland is queried )   |
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Post by salmantino on Feb 24, 2024 9:36:41 GMT
rod222This is the second ship of that name, that made its first journey in April 1901. It, later, was acquired by the VOC. I have my doubt about both the flag and the ensign. This ship participated in the discovery of Australia that sailed from the East Indies in November 1605. At the time the VOC would have flown the ensign you post with the orange, rather than the red band and the logo of the VOC. Although the red-white-and-blue did exist, it was mostly used from a later time. The flag was similar to that of the VOC, but without the logo. The lion on the ensign is not that of the Zuid Holland. Zuid Holland is a province that did not exist until 1840 when Holland was divided into the provinces of North and South Holland that exist today. It is holding the arrows and sword of the Union of Utrecht.
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