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Post by jamesw on Mar 22, 2014 20:53:13 GMT
Picked this plastic White Owl cigar box up today, mainly for the almost intact strip. Appears to be a Series C (1935) RG622, for those with a copy of C.D. Ryan's Catalogue of Federal Tobacco Stamps of Canada. Just a clear plastic box so I'd like to separate them and preserve the strip in a mount. Already tried a soak, but the plastic's not giving up its treasure. Don't want to damage the strip, obviously. So, anyone have any idea how I might manage this? Steam? Chemicals? Colourful language? Oh, and an fyi, I did not do that damage just below the black serial number. Came that way.   |
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Post by stoltzpup on Mar 22, 2014 21:37:32 GMT
Might try lighter fluid, starting on just a corner so, if it doesn't work, you can stop before soaking the whole thing.
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Post by jamesw on Mar 22, 2014 22:44:31 GMT
is there a difference between Rosonol and other lighter fluids. I seem to have trouble finding that brand around here.
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Post by stoltzpup on Mar 22, 2014 22:56:34 GMT
Don't know. Perhaps some of the Canadian members have experience with it. There are some internet sites with information about naphtha and Ronsonol in Canada
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Mar 22, 2014 23:43:32 GMT
Other than a brand name don't believe any difference in lighter fuels.I buy zippo in big cans and dual purpose my zippo and watermarking.Have your tried water in it in the microwave?
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Post by Jerry B on Mar 23, 2014 7:23:39 GMT
Hi
I was once told that Ronsonol did not have any chemicals that made it "greasy" to the touch. Therefore, it did not leave any residue. I have an old can of Zippo fluid and between that and Ronsonol one can tell the difference just by feel.
Jerry B
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Post by nitrolures on Mar 29, 2014 17:41:31 GMT
White owl is a prominent cigar brand and I've seen different pcs of their advertising items sell high on shows. (I'm not a stoagie smoker) I realize from a stamp perspective getting that strip off makes sense but I'd almost want to keep intact . Look at it as an oversized advert cover . Now as for preserving and displaying in the collection that is tricky. If you have an old thick enough stock book - cut out the rectangle dimensions through each page to fit the whole case inside like a hidden compartment. Just a thought but cool piece and proper usage.
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Post by rogo on Mar 29, 2014 19:33:44 GMT
try putting it in the freezer for a day or two......
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Post by jamesw on Mar 29, 2014 20:33:52 GMT
Honestly Nitro, the plastic box, though it has the name White Owl embossed on the top, looks like crap. Not worth the space, in my opinion.
As the the freezer, I've had limited success with that method, but I'll try it anyway. I've nothing to loose (except my wife thinking I've lost my mind again).
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Post by rod222 on Mar 29, 2014 22:25:29 GMT
White spirits (dry cleaning fluid) should lift that nicely.
I use on all my Aust self stick.
Try a tiny corner first.
It should lift off with gum intact, and you'll need to (if it lifts successfully) re-dip on several occaisions
to remove the mucilage completely. (sharp edge / cloth) Any mucilage left, will tend to stick to anything it accidentally comes in contact with.
Be vigilant.
I don't envy you.
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Post by rod222 on Mar 29, 2014 22:47:53 GMT
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Post by jamesw on Mar 29, 2014 22:50:11 GMT
White Spirits? Google tells me that that is the British term for mineral spirits. Same thing?
I have some of that. Also have a product called Goof Off, which smells like lighter fluid and comes in a squirt can similar to the lighter fluid cans my ol' Dad use to buy back in the day.
Goof Off is used as a paint/glue/adhesive remover. It contains Xylene, Methyl Carbitol, Surfactant.
Sounds positively ghastly!
My concern is I think I have one kick at the can here. If I use the wrong stuff I could stain the paper strip and it would have been all for naught.
Be nice to be able to save the little guy.
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Post by jamesw on Mar 29, 2014 22:52:21 GMT
Thanks for the link Rod. I already have it, and am, in fact in the process (slowly) of printing off a hard copy on good paper.
A terrific resource for this sort of thing.
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Post by rod222 on Mar 29, 2014 22:57:30 GMT
White Spirits, source the unadulterated stuff. Here is the Aussie equivalent www.bunnings.com.au/diggers-1l-white-spirit-_p1563471Forget, and stay away from the all the other Goo's, I cannot guarantee White Spirits, but have been lifting my Aust self stick for 3 years with no apparent damage thus far. I have lifted US self stick as well, very successfully Long term effects are the only unknown Faced with your choice of irreperable damage, by using other means to separate, White Spirits would be my route. |
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Post by rod222 on Mar 29, 2014 23:01:59 GMT
CAUTION : Anyone using this product, please keep on a high shelf away from little tackers curious hands, and away from high heat
Must keep our little ones safe.
Here is the New Zealand Youtube video, that influenced me (FUELITE is the same as WHITE SPIRITS)
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Post by tomiseksj on Mar 29, 2014 23:48:19 GMT
You might want to give Super Safe Stamp Lift Fluid a try.  |
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Post by jamesw on Apr 1, 2014 1:45:14 GMT
Ok, partial success. Found some Rosonol in a smoke shop in the concourse below work today at lunch. Tried it on the small section of strip. Did a bit of damage I'm afraid, before I figured out what I was doing. But I knew it would never be perfect. Going to wait to do the rest. Just this small bit in my unventilated studio has given me a bit of a head. The other bit is so large, I think I'll wait for better weather and do it out on the back deck. Not great, but it was on there with some serious glue!  |
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