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Post by therealwesty on Apr 2, 2014 12:10:52 GMT
March 31, Canada Post officially rolls out the new postage rates along with two new series of definitive stamps to satisfy the new rates. According to their website the basic rates for lettermail are now as follows; Domestic $1.00 U.S. $1.20 International $2.50 The new Baby Wildlife definitive stamp shows a trio of burrowing owls and displays the new $1.00 rate as seen here. Reading into the right hand column of the page we can see a coil of 100 permanent stamps listed which feature two beavers. The images for the 'P' and $1.00 stamps are switched on the site at the time of writing. The Canada Pride series features Canada's UNESCO World Heritage Sites also showing the 'P' denomination here.Everything seems to indicate the official domestic rate will settle at $1.00. So anyone with any leftover 63¢ stamps will be reaching for the low value definitives to make up the difference. Probably a good move if Canada Post wants to generate more revenue, but it will certainly be a sore spot for anyone with leftover stock of previously issued stamps. Curiously, there is also a new Beneficial Insect definitive weighing in at 22¢ and featuring a monarch butterfly seen here. I say curious because 63+22=85¢ which we have seen advertised as the bulk price for purchasing stamps, but doesn't appear to be the new official postal rate. Though announced the listing doesn't contain any prices or product numbers at the time of writing, so it doesn't appear as though the stamps are ready for purchase online just yet. I will be curious to see how the bulk discount applies to the various issues. It seems obvious that booklets and coils of the 'P' denominated issues will see the 85¢/stamp purchase price. But, what will the purchase price be for the coil of fifty $1.00 owl stamps be?
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Post by I.L.S. on Apr 2, 2014 21:16:34 GMT
I'm shocked the US hasn't done this yet. Wow a buck to mail out the bills! That's a bit steep eh? (lol I said "eh" by accident- I sound like one of the McKenzie Brothers huh?
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Post by rogo on Apr 2, 2014 23:15:09 GMT
I'm shocked the US hasn't done this yet. Wow a buck to mail out the bills! That's a bit steep eh? (lol I said "eh" by accident- I sound like one of the McKenzie Brothers huh? You godda da wrong accent, hoser
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Post by lokos on Apr 3, 2014 0:32:25 GMT
I'm still confused as to what the actual domestic rate is, 85cents or 1 dollar. Canada Post has been focusing all of it's information on the fact that if you ask for a single stamp at the counter it's going to cost you a dollar but if you buy multiples it will only cost you 85 cents, what a deal. It would be nice if they would stop with the sales pitch and just say what the rate is. Is the domestic rate .85 and for a single stamp you pay a premium/penalty of an additional .15 OR is the domestic rate $1.00 and you get a discount of .15 if you buy multiple stamps. I think the domestic rate is actually 85 cents with the 15 cents being a surcharge for the postal clerk having to handle issuing one stamp. If that is the case I'm curious as to what will happen at all those post offices that would only use stamps if you put a gun to their heads and were always so quick to put meter imprints on everything as to what value they use. I mailed a large envelope with a variety of postage on it including some "P" stamps and they assigned them a value of 85cents towards the total. I almost always apply at least some of the postage if not all before leaving the house so I will find out for sure later this week as I have some stuff I need to get sent out.
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Post by therealwesty on Apr 3, 2014 4:15:47 GMT
Rick, the "Rates and Prices" page on the Canada Post website states the new domestic rate is $1, seen here. I am taking this as meaning that any mails sent with anything less than $1 in numerically denominated or 'P' stamps will be returned or rejected for insufficient postage. This would mean the 85¢ purchase price is being offered as a discount for purchasing booklets or coils. All that being said, the March edition Details that arrived today and the 22¢ Monarch Butterfly stamp is being described as the 'make-up' stamp. The description reads this "low-value definitive will transform your 63-cent stamp into the current domestic rate." As stated above, 63+22=85¢. So I too am confused as to what the actual domestic rate now is. The statement about the 22¢ stamp seems to indicate that mail franked with a 63+22¢ combination will be accepted at the domestic rate. So, why issue the $1 rate burrowing owl stamp? This denomination doesn't apply to any of the other standard letter-mail rates, even the oversized domestic is $1.80. It could be argued that these stamp are intended to be sold as singles at the postage counter, but couldn't they just ring in Permanent stamps at $1 when singles are purchased? As far as I know designing, printing, and issuing stamps is not free, so I am glad to see Canada Post is doing everything they can to save money.
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Post by Philatarium on Apr 3, 2014 4:51:53 GMT
Westy -- The same discussion has occurred on several other stamp discussion boards, so I think you're in good company trying to figure this out. But according to what I'm reading, it's 85 cents, unless you have to go to the counter and buy an individual stamp. In that case, it'll cost $1.00. They also say the "P" stamps will still pay the 30g domestic rate, no matter what you originally paid for them. Here are several links: another stamp discussion board that's hard to link to, because it still uses frames, but hopefully you can read it. I picked it up late in the thread, but I think the answer is there. forums.delphiforums.com/stamps/messages?msg=49699.56Here's also a link to a Linn's article about it: linns.com/news/international-stamps/305/Canada-adds-five-new-stamps-sheet-to-its-Baby-Wildlife-definitive-seriesAnd a link to a Canada Post rate guide: www.canadapost.ca/cpo/mc/assets/pdf/rates/rate_action_march_31_2014_en.pdfSo, as long as you've got stamps sitting around, it looks like it's $0.85. But it is confusing ... -- Dave
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Post by lokos on Apr 3, 2014 11:57:33 GMT
Yep, Canada Post is (Imho)definitely trying to put all focus of the information ( or misinformation) they're providing on the stamps that they have for sale and the different prices for those stamps rather than what the actual rate is. Do you think maybe intentionally ambiguous? The page Westy points to would certainly have you believe that the rate is definitely a dollar, because "look" we have a new dollar stamp and its shown on the "Rates & Prices" page with the heading "Canada $1.00". The same thing on their websites homepage, both US and International have very definite dollar values for the rates shown but for the domestic rate they again show the rate as being a dollar with asterisks mentioning discounts are available. Again giving you the impression that the rate is a dollar but under certain circumstances they going to be nice and give you a " discount". And then, definitely not on the home page, or the rates and prices page, but buried three or four clicks deep into the website, and only if you know what your looking for, you find the 22cent make-up rate stamp which clearly states (as Westy already pointed out) that allows you to combine it with the 63cent stamp you already have and voila you can mail your letter for 85cents. Discount sounds so much better than penalty or premium price. A cut and paste from the actual 22cent description from their website; If they really wanted to be upfront and honest with people why would they not put that information front and center on the main pages the average Joe is going to look at when they go the website trying to find out the current rates. Not bury it where nobody but stamp collectors are going to go look for it. Seriously, the only place you put the information that the rate is actually 85cents is buried within one particular stamp's description. If you didn't have suspicions that there should be a make-up rate stamp to begin with why would you even look at that stamp or its description. If the rate was actually going to a dollar, fine, I mean sure, I 'd rather have it cheaper but if that's what it is that's what it is. I realize that for the average guy over the course of a year you might be talking about paying out an extra dollar or two, not even the cost of a cup of coffee. The point and the part that pis**s me off is that it seems like they're doing as much as they can to to intentionally mislead and over charge by not even making even a meager attempt to make the information available. Those that do their own leg work and mail stuff with knowledge in hand pay one price, those that rely on the misleading information they're fed pay 18% over and above for the exact same service. There are so many businesses out there that if they attempted to this kind of pricing shell game it would be considered criminal. No opportunity to actually complain to anyone (other than you guys ) because Canada Post doesn't have any email address's or phone numbers listed on their website. (really, what kind of multimillion dollar business doesn't have contact info available.) I have no ideal if there is a government office that actually has any say in what Canada Post sets its rates to. I know they presented the price increase information to the government (because they made sure to make the announcement the day after parliament broke for Xmas) but whether anyone outside of Canada Post has any say, ? ? ? Anyhow, I really should learn to finish my pot of coffee before I start typing so that my postings don't turn into rantings like this one. Rick
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Post by canadianphilatelist on Apr 15, 2014 23:59:08 GMT
Did anyone else notice that the new $0.22 monarch butterfly stamp is titled "insects" as opposed to "beneficial insects" like the rest of the series?
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Post by therealwesty on Apr 16, 2014 0:28:35 GMT
Interesting observation, I hadn't noticed that! So the Monarch has no benefit to Canada?
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