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Post by jamesw on Jun 11, 2014 2:35:27 GMT
A little side trip on my WWI war stamp quest. These are Second World War saving stamps (1940-41), used on war savings forms. There was an earlier version of this (totally different designs) used in WWI. Got most of these at the North Toronto bourse last weekend. The first is used on piece. FWS5 (van Dam #). It's kind of dirty. The dealer had a nice clean mint version, but I'm preferring this stuff used if I can find it. Van Dam doesn't list a price for these used, and states they are scarce on document (though he writes that about a lot of his stamps), so the dealer gave this to me for the same price as the unused. Not sure if I got a deal there, but at least this one has worked for a living. I may give it a gentle bath later.  These six are from a booklet (placed in their proper positions). The two I'm missing are a bomber (lower left) and a soldier standing in front of some tanks. There's also another in this design of a Spitfire, which came in it's own booklet. The three on the left I had already, the others obtained last weekend.  The hunt for the rest continues. |
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Post by jamesw on Oct 22, 2014 12:18:46 GMT
You folks must be getting tired of seeing all this War stuff! And believe it or not, I'm a pacifist! Anyway, another addition to this little section. This Spitfire swooping down over Canada's parliament buildings is the same design as those in the booklet shown above, but was actually issued separately in it's own booklet. Van Dam #FWS6 Canada War Savings.  |
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Post by rod222 on Oct 22, 2014 14:29:44 GMT
Are we sure it is a Spitfire ? I thought the young Canadian fighter pilots in GB used Hurricanes.
Douglas Bader was their flight leader.
The stamp looks like a Hurricane with reference to the shape of the cockpit.
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Post by jamesw on Oct 22, 2014 18:04:10 GMT
Well, I don't know fer planes, Rod. But the van Dam catalogue has it labeled as a Spitfire. Perhaps more avionics experts can chime in. After a quick google search, I came up with this site. The plane does look like a submarine spitfire picture here (second image). Don't know how many submarines there would have been in the Ottawa River though. jackcollier7.com/2014/06/08/supermarine-spitfire/ |
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Post by rod222 on Oct 22, 2014 23:18:47 GMT
Well, I don't know fer planes, Rod. But the van Dam catalogue has it labeled as a Spitfire. Perhaps more avionics experts can chime in. After a quick google search, I came up with this site. The plane does look like a submarine spitfire picture here (second image). Don't know how many submarines there would have been in the Ottawa River though. jackcollier7.com/2014/06/08/supermarine-spitfire/Right. I think we, as a collector's forum, achieve our responsibility when we can challenge conventional wisdom. van Dam may have chosen the obvious first romantic image, of the Battle of Britain, however it may be, the Hurricane ( always sadly, takes a second place in first recall) would be a better fit. Initially the Canadians. were not first responders to German air raids due to their field position, and as far as my knowledge goes, were a wing of Hurricane fighters, later on in the Battle, due to their successes this changed and the Spitfire came into use. It may also be argued that this stamp is just an artist's impression, and may be a melding of the two. It would be nice to get a expert's opinion. Nevertheless, a fitting tribute to those very brave Canadian boys. |
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Post by tomiseksj on Oct 23, 2014 3:12:49 GMT
Per the below, a Spitfire was flown in Canada in 1940 and the first Canadian Squadron (No. 403) flew Spitfires operationally in March 1941.
Does anyone know the issue date of the stamp?
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Post by irishjack on Oct 23, 2014 3:46:41 GMT
Here is the Australia 6d war saving stamp 
The plane I believe is a Boulton Paul Defiant en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boulton_Paul_Defiant it has a gun on the aft of the cockpit where the spitfire did not, this stamp is often called the Spitfire savings stamp.
Could the Canadian saving stamp be as rod222 said a artist impression. If the artist took inspiration from the Spitfire, Hurricane and defiant and made up a composition. All three were in Canadian service.
I was also thinking could there be some sort legislation that would stop the image of one of the planes being put on a stamp? After all the plans and blue prints for any war plane would at the time be Top-Secret. Seeing as the stamp is issued by the government as small as the picture is they could not put an actual image of say a Spitfire. Possible?
Here is a link to Vandams linkhttp://www.esjvandam.com/revenues/federal/war_savings.htm They call it a Spitfire as James said earlier.
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Post by irishjack on Oct 23, 2014 4:16:15 GMT
Here is a image of the plane that's in James's link 
After looking at Spitfires and Hurricanes ( look pretty darn close ) one thing that pops is the shape of the cockpit roof, on Spitfires it seems to have a curve doom top. The Hurricane appears more flat, on the Canadian war stamp it is flat. The above picture shows this curvature. |
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Post by rod222 on Oct 23, 2014 6:10:04 GMT
Nice Post/s Jack.
Yes, the spitfire had a "Bubble" cockpit cover.
What suggests a melange, is the drawing has the eliptical wings of the Spitfire.
The biggest difference, was the wheel deployment, the hurricane folded inwards and the Spitfire folded outwards (more stable).
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Post by jamesw on Oct 23, 2014 11:41:06 GMT
It never ceases to amaze me what can capture peoples attention on this site. It's great!
Yes it appears the pilots of the Spitfire were under the dome. So the plane on the stamp is possibly a Hurricane in which case Mr. van Dam's listing is wrong, or we are dealing with artistic license on the part of the engraver.
At any rate, thanks of the responses.
And, Steve, the Canadian stamp is listed as issued 1940-41.
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Post by irishjack on Oct 24, 2014 18:23:56 GMT
It never ceases to amaze me what can capture peoples attention on this site. It's great!  That's what happens when you put a group of collectors together. |
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Post by rod222 on Oct 25, 2014 2:54:19 GMT
A "group" ?
Collective noun for collectors A Pod? An Envy? "A Display of collectors"
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Post by jamesw on Oct 25, 2014 3:35:56 GMT
'A collection'
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Jan 21, 2018 1:53:59 GMT
Federal War Savings stamps Van Dam FWS15  |
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Post by cindycan2 on Jun 22, 2021 0:05:14 GMT
This is more of a cinderella, but seems appropriate for this thread. It's a facsimile of the set of 8 War Savings stamps that were issued in Sept 1941, overprinted in black with bombs. Any thoughts?
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That's what happens when you put a group of collectors together. 
