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Post by paul1 on Jul 8, 2024 13:07:04 GMT
ah, yes ........... apologies, had a feeling I was a bit adrift there - appreciate the correction, thanks rod222.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jul 8, 2024 14:49:54 GMT
paul1I have now merged all the posts from your later thread into this previously existing one.
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Post by paul1 on Jul 8, 2024 17:05:54 GMT
many thanks Beryllium Guy - agree, it was getting slightly split with the two sections running simultaneously.
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Post by vikingeck on Jul 10, 2024 20:55:08 GMT
yet another ERRINGTON & MARTIN variant on a stamp of India COCHIN . I presume they only advertised on cheap common stamps and not on expensive rarities ![](http://i.ibb.co/mbWFQQy/IMG-0003-NEW.jpg) ![i.ibb.co/pRp5YLy/IMG-0001-NEW.jpg](http://i.ibb.co/pRp5YLy/IMG-0001-NEW.jpg) [ If they had put it on the front of the stamp it would have ben described as " DEFACED" I wonder ( tongue in cheek) if there is a word for it on the backside ?
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jul 10, 2024 21:24:54 GMT
If they had put it on the front of the stamp, it would have been described as "DEFACED" I wonder (tongue in cheek) if there is a word for it on the backside? Yes, Alex, for unkind things done to the backside, we call it a spanking over here in North America!
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Post by fazeman on Jul 10, 2024 21:50:56 GMT
But why? Why would dealers even think of putting their company info on the back of stamps? Such cosmetics totally screw up everything.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jul 10, 2024 23:11:44 GMT
Thanks for your post, Steve ( fazeman) Why these dealer advertisements ended up on the backs of stamps is a reasonable question, especially when we see it from our perspective as collectors today. I think it boils down to the idea that there was a time in stamp collecting when it was a much wider spread hobby, meaning that there were many "casual" collectors, who were not especially careful in their habits. In those times, stamps were trimmed or cut down to fit in album spaces, for example, and sometimes fully glued down into books. I even read about sellers in New York City displaying stamps for sale on cork boards and using pushpins to affix them to the boards! So, in former times, I can readily see how dealers would decide that there would be nothing wrong with rubber-stamping their contact info on the backs of common stamps. Condition was not as big of a deal back then as it is now. This is just my opinion, of course, and others are welcome to share theirs.
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Post by JeffS on Jul 10, 2024 23:21:51 GMT
But why? Why would dealers even think of putting their company info on the back of stamps? Such cosmetics totally screw up everything. Simple. Cheap advertising.
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Post by vikingeck on Jul 11, 2024 8:52:18 GMT
I think that the key clue word on the advert is “importers “.
They would be getting similar stamps in quantity from overseas suppliers . I have recently had an attic accumulation from a family who had lived in Malaya just post war , Dad was In a Bank. In an old chocolate box were 1000s of common stamps carefully soaked off the local mail and neatly tied with cotton thread in bundles of 100 . Just the kind of stuff Errington and Martin were buying. Humble clerks made a sideline income collecting company mail , processing and selling on the stamps to agents in India , Malaya , Ceylon and other countries worldwide.
E&M could afford to stamp an advert on maybe 1 stamp in the bundle….. by no means every stamp ! Just a few as cheap adverts as they then sold bulk lots on to smaller UK dealers for the retail trade.
Incidentally once I had selected some sets of the better values from the chocolate box for trading on eBay , I had no difficulty in selling the bulk of the “bundle ware” back to a buyer in Malaysia!
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Post by fazeman on Jul 11, 2024 9:40:57 GMT
Thanks for that interesting explanation vikingeck.
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Post by stanley64 on Jul 15, 2024 10:25:28 GMT
Thanks for sharing Alex ( vikingeck ) and I appreciate the insight!
In my own collection I have one of Canada's Imperial Penny Postage with just such advertising on the back and I had thought all the stamps sold by 'Errington and Martin' would have had the addition; nice to know it has a 'rarity' factor.
Looking through the thread, there at least 4 variants of the advert from this merchant. Is that all of them?
Have fun and happy collecting
P.S. It is likely just coincidence, this advertisement can be found on stamp from Plate 1, stamp nº 1 (1A1).
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Post by vikingeck on Jul 15, 2024 10:53:35 GMT
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/233900679610There is a discussion going back a few years on another forum which picks up an ebay lot listed in 2021 and apparently still not purchased at a stonking £195 from a UK dealer Candlish Mcleary A couple of exhibition pages , its provenance, ex late FRANCIS KIDDLE FRPSL an eminent UK Cinderella collector, is possibly what elevates the asking price . For info stanley64 , The lot has 18 examples of 8 types in various colours Kiddle notes that Errington & Martin used "Stamps they could not sell " ie cheap & common or poor quality, damaged items to get their advertising handstamps
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Post by paul1 on Jul 15, 2024 13:21:15 GMT
I wouldn't question the stamp/cinderella knowledge of the eminent collector Francis Kiddle, but quotes that people sometimes make relating to eminent folk worry me a tad - opinions can sometimes be designed for efficacy, or to impress. The few examples of E. & M. I've had in recent times don't show what might be called 'poor quality and damage.' We can't now, of course, discuss this tale with the late Mr. Kiddle, but in the absence of provenance of his comments, it might be well to treat his words with some caution. Looking at the two examples showing in this thread, they appear to be acceptable condition stamps.
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Post by paul1 on Jul 15, 2024 15:44:29 GMT
stanley64 - oh yes, rarity is a definite factor with Etherington & Martin - you're not a real collector if you don't have at least a couple of these things - enhances your collection immensely and others of our tribe will look up to you with admiration and respect - and speak of you in hushed tones - " look there goes stanley64 - he's actually got E. & M. on the back of his stamps - wow" ;-);-)
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Post by daniel on Jul 16, 2024 2:00:49 GMT
I agree that the Errington & Martin marks on the backs of common stamps makes them more interesting and collectible in their own right. That ex Francis Kiddle lot is an excellent study even if overpriced. Add in some of their postcards and ephemera and you have a nice philatelic display.
I have a couple of items which I'll show if I can find them.
Daniel
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Post by paul1 on Jul 16, 2024 8:17:30 GMT
whilst sorting some Greece last evening, found this E. & M. example - we may have had this version previously though looking quickly through this thread I wasn't aware of seeing it. The stamp is a tad knackered, but appears to be SG GR 158, the 20 lepta value in mauve from the Hermes issues 1901 - 1902. Obviously an example of their advertising designed specifically for accommodation on small stamps, but no idea of the full period of use, and seems perhaps to have lost the plot insofar as it lacks any indication of address. ![](https://i.ibb.co/2sD8QcX/DSC02113.jpg) ![](https://i.ibb.co/bdwFN8t/DSC02116.jpg)
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Post by rex on Jul 16, 2024 9:10:49 GMT
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Post by rex on Jul 16, 2024 9:20:58 GMT
From the Royal Philatelic Society.. "The Stamps Dealers of Great Britain".. ![](https://i.ibb.co/Bg4tqg1/Screenshot-2024-07-16-11-16-16-152-1.jpg)
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Post by stanley64 on Jul 18, 2024 9:13:50 GMT
Thanks Alex ( vikingeck ) and to all the others that have added to the thread regarding 'Ellington & Martin'. These markings, as suggested by daniel , would make a great display or an exhibit dedicated to stamp dealers. Whilst the pages currently offered for sale are appealing, for my own collecting interests i.e. Canada's Imperial Penny Postage, one is enough... Have fun and happy collecting!
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Post by daniel on Jul 21, 2024 23:49:35 GMT
An Errington & Martin Receipt from 1920 ![](https://i.imgur.com/eFcLYSw.jpg)
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Post by rod222 on Jul 22, 2024 2:48:36 GMT
Errington and Martin : "Gascoyne" Stamp Mounts ![](https://i.ibb.co/cX2VPD2/Errington-and-Martin-Gascoyne-Stamp-Mounts.jpg)
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