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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Sept 19, 2014 3:35:52 GMT
I am seriously considering getting rid of my current All-In-One Inkjet printer and getting a new one.
I currently have an Epson Artisan 835 all-in-one inkjet printer. I love the printer. The only problem I have with it is that I print a lot on coverstock for stamp pages and the text seems just not as crisp as it does on a Color Laser.
From the little bit of research I did online, it seems that I might be able to get a crisper output by buying a printer that uses pigment based ink, instead of the dye based ink that the Artisan uses.
I'm looking at an Epson workforce printer, since they all use pigment based ink, and use 4 colors instead of 7. So overall savings on Ink should be pretty high also.
Anyone ever use an inkjet with pigmented ink?
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Sept 21, 2014 2:35:40 GMT
OK, I went and bought the Epson Workforce 2540, which uses pigment based in. Here are some sample scans of the two printers: Epson Artisan 835 with Dyer based ink printed on 67. lb Staples White Coverstock: Epson Workforce 2540 with pigment based ink printed on the same 67 lb. Stapes White Coverstock:
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Sept 21, 2014 3:30:49 GMT
The Workforce printer is currently on sale at Staples for $89.
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Post by rod222 on Sept 21, 2014 4:33:19 GMT
The Workforce printer is currently on sale at Staples for $89. The important thing is Andy, how much the ink refills? The machine probably comes with low page cartridges.
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Sept 21, 2014 4:40:26 GMT
The Workforce printer is currently on sale at Staples for $89. The important thing is Andy, how much the ink refills? The machine probably comes with low page cartridges. Epson always provides full cartridges with their printers. They're labeled "Initial ink" because a good chunk of ink is used to prime the printer. HP, on the other hand gives you "starter ink." I had an HP break under warranty and they sent me a new one with starter ink. I put the starter ink aside and pulled the full cartridges from the old printer in it. When they ran out, I put the starter ink back in and the printer told me I could no longer use the starter ink. I packed the printer up, gave it to my sister-in-law and went out and bought an epson. Ink refills are always expensive. I buy refilled cartridges. They're a lot cheaper and seem to work just as well for me.
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Post by rod222 on Sept 21, 2014 4:55:28 GMT
I do the same with Laser (Brother HL2130) Toner refill $53 I use Generic $18 (2,600 pages)
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Post by BC on Sept 21, 2014 16:41:21 GMT
I just bought the Epson Work Force 2540 for $59 Canadian plus tax (Staples). My trusty HP1018 Laserjet still works great and is really cheap printing with refilled cartridges.
I will use the Work Force on my pages that require colour maps and flags. My Epson NX510 is not that great on cardstock and drinks ink (dye based). Hopefully the 2540 (pigment ink) will do better, as seems the case with Andy.
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Sept 21, 2014 21:10:36 GMT
I wonder why the printers are so much cheaper in Canada.
An old B&W laser is definitely going to be the cheapest way to go for B&W prints.
I've printed out about a half dozen pages on cardstock and have been very happy with the results. Next thing I am going to try is 100% cotton paper.
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Oct 8, 2014 15:10:49 GMT
I've had the Epson Workfoce 2540 in my house for a few weeks now, and I am really happy with it. The pigment ink makes a HUGE difference. I can now print on my Staples 67 lb. coverstock and it looks as good as output from a laser printer. Very impressive.
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Post by ChrisW on Dec 25, 2014 20:18:17 GMT
Andy,
Glad you were able to find a printer you are happy with. I came late to this thread, but last year I replaced my HP printer for an Epson WF-3540 and have been printing Steiner pages on 67lb cover stock from Staples for the past year and have been very happy with the quality of the print and the level of ink usage.
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Dec 26, 2014 4:34:58 GMT
The only beef I have with the printer is that it's slow. If a faster model in the workforce series becomes available at a decent price, I think I might pick it up.
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Jan 6, 2015 3:20:04 GMT
So, I finally took the ultimate challenge and printed a page of 100% cotton paper with the my pigment based ink printer. Cotton paper is notorious for absorbing ink and causing the image and text on the page to get fuzzy.
My new Epson 2540 printed a nice clean crisp page. The images themselves were a little faded, but they weren't fuzzy. And the text was as crisp and clean as a laser.
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Post by BC on Jan 6, 2015 13:39:35 GMT
Andy, how well does your Epson 2540 scan? mine is not nearly as good as my NX510. I will post some comparisons later.
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Jan 6, 2015 20:33:41 GMT
It seems to scan OK. I don't have anything to compare it against, and I don't use the scanner that often.
I've been trying to find a scanner that has a document feeder that will scan double sided pages. That way when I get paperwork in I want to keep, I can just scan it and shred the original. The ones I find a extremely expensive.
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Post by rod222 on Jan 6, 2015 20:46:58 GMT
It seems to scan OK. I don't have anything to compare it against, and I don't use the scanner that often. I've been trying to find a scanner that has a document feeder that will scan double sided pages. That way when I get paperwork in I want to keep, I can just scan it and shred the original. The ones I find a extremely expensive. Scanning double sided pages. I gave up, also, too expensive. I wanted to scan my collection of "Australian Stamp News" dating from 1930, and put them on CD but the cost was beyond me at the time. I have not looked at double sided scanners in the last 2 years. If you find one you find acceptable, please post a road test.
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Jan 6, 2015 20:50:02 GMT
There's a company here in the US that will scan your stuff in for you and provide you with a link to download the PDF. The books/magazines you send them are destroyed in the process. You pay per 100 pages scanned. I think it's $1.00 per 100 pages.
Just remembered the site is called 1dollarscan. I may just use that site.
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Post by rod222 on Jan 7, 2015 0:33:32 GMT
There's a company here in the US that will scan your stuff in for you and provide you with a link to download the PDF. The books/magazines you send them are destroyed in the process. You pay per 100 pages scanned. I think it's $1.00 per 100 pages. Just remembered the site is called 1dollarscan. I may just use that site. Wow! Andy, that is marvelous. Now to see if they are in Australia. 1dollarscan.com/pricing.php
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Jan 7, 2015 14:04:33 GMT
I have a couple of years of Aquarium Fish Magazine I may send in to get scanned. They sell all the issues as PDFs, but I bought them once. I am NOT buying them again.
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Post by KirkS on Jan 8, 2015 0:12:41 GMT
I have an HP LaserJet MultiFunction 1536. I hate it. Fuzzy Print, Toner marks even with brand new Genuine HP Toner.
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Post by rod222 on Jan 8, 2015 0:59:49 GMT
I have an HP LaserJet MultiFunction 1536. I hate it. Fuzzy Print, Toner marks even with brand new Genuine HP Toner. A few years ago, I used to buy pallets of bulk Computers and printers from dispersing agents from companies closing or upgrading, then re-sell at the flea markets. Hewlett Packard was not considered a good printer even then, amongst our circle, and we often just gave them away. My $39 Brother Laser printer works faultlessly over about 2 years now, my original thought, at $39 if was no good one could just recycle it. Downside, a noisy little fellow when warming up, and, if you accidentally forget to click on "this page only" in a Steiner *.pdf, it will print out 85 pages, the only way to stop it, is to rapidly pull out the paper tray. Generic Toner $18 for 2,500-3,000 pages. (Black only no colour)
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Mar 11, 2015 14:02:15 GMT
Well, 3 days ago, the red nozzle in the Workforce printer decided to clog. I've been wrestling with it for 3 days and can't get it to unclog now...
And besides my printing needs, I have a 14 year old that prints stuff daily for school. So, it looks like I will be heading out to buy a printer. And I think I am going to grab a color laser, since those don't have ink that can dry up.
I'm probably going to take this thing apart and see if I can get the print heads out and clean them.
The guides I see online say to print at least 1-2 pages per week or the printer will clog.
I found a bunch of videos online about cleaning the print heads in the Epson consumer-level workforce printers. They all agree on two things:
1. The print heads clog more than other inkjets. One guy says it's because air gets into the printer. 2. The cleaning cycle on the printer uses way more ink than any other printer.
All that being said, Epson is still the only printer line that makes a relatively cheap inkjet printer that uses pigment based ink for all it's colors, which is a huge plus.
The 2540 has been discontinued and replaced by the 2650. The 2650 WILL NOT take a re-manufactured cartridge. So, it's not an option for me.
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Post by KirkS on Mar 11, 2015 14:39:40 GMT
I can't imagine that ANY inkjet printer is cheaper to operate than a laser. In my opinion, the purchase price is MUCH less significant than the cost-per-page to operate.
It has been my experience that inexpensive inkjets use twice as much ink as higher-priced models.
At the very least, you should do a little Google-Fu and try to find some printer reviews. CNET and PCMagazine usually rank/review the latest models.
Good luck. Kirk
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Post by khj on Mar 11, 2015 16:40:20 GMT
and, if you accidentally forget to click on "this page only"in a Steiner *.pdf, it will print out 85 pages, the only way to stop it, is to rapidly pull out the paper tray. LOL, been there, done that! The bad part is when I didn't notice it's been printing for the past few minutes! k
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Post by khj on Mar 11, 2015 17:02:23 GMT
I can't imagine that ANY inkjet printer is cheaper to operate than a laser. In my opinion, the purchase price is MUCH less significant than the cost-per-page to operate. Agreed. For color printing, if you are printing more than a few hundred pages each month, the color laser printer will be far more economical than a color inkjet in the long run (and definitely much faster). I haven't used an inkjet in almost 2 decades. My father still uses an inkjet, but he only prints out half a dozen pages a week at most. We do a lot of cardstock printing. I can tell you right now that color laser printers yield significantly different results when printing on thicker than normal paper. Make sure you have the correct paper type setting before you print, but even then, results among different models (even same brand) can vary. So test your print beforehand if possible. A printer that does excellent on 20lb paper may not print well on thicker paper or different paper types. Also, for thicker paper, best to have a printer with straight-feed option. Someone gave me a very nice HP color laser printer, but it doesn't have straight feed-thru, so cardstock printing comes out real lousy depending on how extensive the color coverage. I've never been a big fan of HP laser printers, and that only reinforced my bias. On the other hand, I know many who are quite happy with their HP. In my experience, color laser printers usually don't last anywhere as long as the monochrome printers. Of the 3 that I've had, one failed within 2 years after relatively light use. That one did the best with 110lb cardstock printing, but unfortunately that model has been discontinued. I would not be surprised if the reason that color laser printer failed was because we did most of our cardstock printing on it. We now "space out" our cardstock printing into small batches. I've had one monochrome laser printer fail, but after 5+ years of heavy use. All my other monochrome laser printers continue to work fine. Don't print labels with your color laser printer, especially if you don't have straight feed-thru. It's not worth the cleaning aggravation if a label gets stuck in the mechanism. Read the online comparisons/reviews -- they will be more accurate than my non-statistical experience. Of course, I'm referring to consumer grade color printers, not the commercial duty printers. We typically print a few thousand pages per month. Just my 2 cents worth. Best wishes on getting a suitable printer... k
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Mar 12, 2015 16:47:11 GMT
I found a video online to clean the print heads. Followed the instructions on how to clean the head. Removed them, soaked them in Windex. I put the whole thing back together this morning, put the ink in and fired up. Printer started up great. I then told it to print a nozzle check pattern to see if I successfully removed the clog.
And halfway though the initialization process, the printer just DIED. Lost all power and completely refuses to turn on.
So, now I have no choice in the matter. Sigh...
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Post by khj on Mar 12, 2015 19:06:23 GMT
The manufacturers usually recommend only using water and Q-tip. That's how I used to do it. I wouldn't recommend using Windex/ammonia on electronics in general. At most, maybe use some rubbing alcohol if absolutely necessary.
Sorry it didn't work out for you. Hope the next printer will suit your needs much better.
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Mar 13, 2015 13:26:44 GMT
Because I had to get a printer right away (kids print homework nightly), I went out and bought a Brother HL-3170CDW. Sells for $199 on Amazon and OfficeMax had it on sale for that same price.
It comes with "starter toner" that "only" lasts 700 pages. I've only printed 5 pages so far, but the output is very acceptable. Going to test cotton paper and cardstock later today and see how that does.
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Post by khj on Mar 13, 2015 15:56:31 GMT
Most of our laser printers are made by Brother. I think you will be reasonably happy with it.
On my monochrome laser printers -- After the first few hundred copies, I suggest you take the toner out once every 1-2 weeks and evenly rotate it along its lengthwise axis about 3-5 times (once every week if you print 100+ pages per week). It's been my experience that the toner cartridge will last noticeably longer (at least 25%-50% more copies) when printing out basic copies (little or no graphics) if you do so. Apparently much toner is actually wasted (i.e., never used up or shifted into the toner waste part of the cartridge). Rotating the cartridge seems to reduce that waste significantly. Just be careful not to jam the cartridge or break the cartridge chip (if there is one).
I don't make enough prints on my color laser printers to go to the trouble of rotating the toner cartridges, so I don't have any numbers to indicate if it would help on the color cartridges -- but I assume it would. It is a hassle with so many color cartridges, so I don't bother. But since the color cartridges are so expensive, if you plan on doing a lot of color graphics printing, it may be worth your while to rotate them.
Enjoy your laser printer.
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Post by rod222 on Mar 13, 2015 19:46:52 GMT
Because I had to get a printer right away (kids print homework nightly), I went out and bought a Brother HL-3170CDW. Sells for $199 on Amazon and OfficeMax had it on sale for that same price. It comes with "starter toner" that "only" lasts 700 pages. I've only printed 5 pages so far, but the output is very acceptable. Going to test cotton paper and cardstock later today and see how that does. I bought my Brother HL2132 monochrome for $39 as a Laser test, and it's a little ripper. Only downside, it is noisy when warming up. I use generic toner, the first company I used was rather poor, the second, had no trouble at all, 7000 pages for $18 Khj's advice is good, I follow that regime myself.
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Post by khj on Mar 13, 2015 20:15:27 GMT
If you can find a good source cheap source for generic cartridges, that's great. Quality among re-fillers (and refill amount) varies considerably. Last year I had to find another source because my goto company of 10 years quit.
The easy way is to track number copy/prints with the counter. But there are also other issues that affect quality control, as some re-fillers just dump in a lot of toner. I have a postal scale that I use to weigh the cartridges before and after the toner light starts flashing. That way I know if the refiller is actually refurbishing the cartridge or just refilling it. Some sources don't clean out the waste toner in the cartridges -- the cartridge doesn't last as long if the old toner is not removed, or will give you the copy amount but the copy darkness/quality suffers considerably
Probably more than you wanted/needed to know...
Enjoy your weekend, everybody!
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