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Post by jamesw on Feb 12, 2015 2:57:39 GMT
Just acquired a few more US postage dues to supplement my collection. I thought I had these down, but of course when I look at them again, I question my judgment on the colour. Never mind 4 years of art college, these little buggers get me every time! So here are three, all perf 11x10.5, so they are all J80s. They are listed in Scotts as dull carmen or scarlet. And yet here are three different hues. I understand the problems of id-ing colour on a computer - different scanners, monitors etc. But I think when you see them side by side on the same scan you can get a sense of what they look like. Sooooo. What do you experts say? Help out an artist with tired eyes.
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Post by rod222 on Feb 12, 2015 3:09:50 GMT
Sooooo. What do you experts say? Help out an artist with tired eyes. Unable advise as a US particular, however, always remember these stamp colours are quoted from pristine Mint Unhinged examples. Whenever a stamp is put forward as used, the colour may have been influenced by a myriad of processes unseen by you or I. |
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Post by Ryan on Feb 12, 2015 3:36:42 GMT
I'd say only the leftmost stamp is carmine. Scarlet has a brighter tone to it (Wikipedia says it has "a slightly orange tinge"), carmine is darker (but not as dark as the colour known as "lake"). The rightmost stamp looks like the plate wasn't wiped as cleanly, since the unprinted paper also has a colour tinge to it, although that kind of thing can also come from soaking (although among US stamps, it's the pinkish colour on the Lincoln 4 cents that's the biggest problem for that). Have a look at this Wikipedia page for shades of red - both scarlet and carmine are shown. On that page the difference is more clear than seen on your stamps but it's a good approximation. Ryan |
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Post by stoltzpup on Feb 12, 2015 3:41:36 GMT
Bearing Rod's caution in mind, your three examples do show marked differences. The red appears to have bled into the white in the stamp on the right, making the machine tracings less crisp and the paper to have a pink tone. The one on the left seems to have mellowed into a claret (or lake) for some reason, while the one in the middle seems to have held its original scarlet better than the other two. Being an artist, you might make a study of what happens to a stamp's color when subjected to various environmental influences -- e.g., tobacco smoke, acid album paper, soaking in various chemicals, over soaking in water, soaking with other stamps that are prone to bleeding, to mention but a few. US j80 would be a good stamp to use as a subject for such a study. I've noticed that used US dues overprinted for Cuba and the Philippines have even greater color variations, smearings almost. Perhaps the warmer climate had some effect.
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Post by stampgeezer on Feb 12, 2015 4:17:42 GMT
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Post by rod222 on Feb 12, 2015 6:25:17 GMT
What is the consensus here? Carmine -Scarlet - Water / Soak damage. ?
The centre stamps holds that quality that Auctioneers employ, "Fresh" (mainly used with mint stamps) The paper and the ink has held the majority of its original condition.
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Post by tomiseksj on Feb 12, 2015 13:49:50 GMT
My colorblindness keeps me from offering an opinion in this case; however, two examples drawn from the Philatelic Foundation database may be of value to those more confident in their ability to discern color. On the left is the dull carmine Scott J86; the scarlet J86a is on the right.  |
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Post by TinMan on Feb 14, 2015 20:08:54 GMT
All I can say is I have several of the same three stamps. !/2 2,35,10cent stamps. I have tried to research the stamps and colors. If my memory serves me right. The difference in the shades of color is because of different printers. I have far too many for it to be a fluke. It was because of the dyes in the colors used by the different printers. The Scott Specialized for example lists J67 in three colors carmine rose, rose red, deep claret. Some stamps were only in two colors. Others were only printed in One color. It's very confusing.
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