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Post by tallanent on Feb 14, 2015 11:00:04 GMT
The next task was to check every sheet that I had access to and list the variations within a similar grid to that used before. The assignment of sheets "C and E" and "D and F" may actually have been the other way around - but in the absence of un-cut pieces (due to the production method) and no information available from the printers, the assignment of the sheets on the plate will have to stand untill either new information comes to light from Harrison's archives (which I think is unlikely given the amount of baggering I did getting them to check things) or from another collector. The illustration below shows the positions of the flaws within the plate and these are then listed below...  A .. White break in the label and a small dot below the base of the crown
B .. Spot by ring (right side)
C .. Small line extension at the base (left side) (often faint)
D .. Dot after 'HARRISONS' - (semi-constant)
E .. Small dot in the top left corner margin
F .. Spot inside spur
G .. Small mark below base frame
H .. Dot in handle of sword
I .. Dot to right of ball on staff
J .. Dot below left handle of sword
K .. Spot to right of sword top
L .. Spot to right side of the centre picture
M .. Small dot at the base of the label (right side)
N .. Small line extension at the top (left side)
O .. Small line extension at the base (left side)
P .. break in the base line below bottom scroll
Q .. Dot to left of 'H' of 'HARRISONS'
R .. Dot in left margin - top
S .. Small dot under orb - right side
T .. White spot to right of floral pillar - right side
U .. Dot below right side of spoon
V .. Dot to left of handle on sword
W .. Dot below 'ON' of 'SONS' at the base of the label
X .. 2 dots to the right of the spurs
I am aware that variety X is not shown on the sheet and this is as I have not been able to assign it as yet. On the Black printing this is very faint.
With regards to all the variations listed, it should be noted that a number are faint and as such may not always be visible on certain colour printings.
I will now scan the examples where the flaws show, as this will enable collectors to see the point in question rather than guessing from my written descriptions. (and after all this is a visual hobby).
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Post by tallanent on Feb 14, 2015 11:08:11 GMT
For the flaws that appear on the Harrison's Regalia Set - as noted above. The design of the stamps can be seen on the illustration of the full sheet shown earlier and for this reason I will show only enlargements of the area in question with the flaw pointed out. These will be dealt with one sheet at a time (starting with sheet A) and they are numbers as per my system above - thus A3 is the King's Orb on sheet A in the plate. Reference to the list of flaws can been seen in the table above and the letter indications used will not be repaeted in this section. Sheet AA3
 Extension of the base line to the left A7 Dot in the handle of the sword A10 Spot to right side of centre picture A12
An extension of the base frame line to the left
This is often very faint and in many cases not visible
In cases where it can be seen - it is always fainter than that shown on A3
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Post by tallanent on Feb 14, 2015 11:17:43 GMT
Sheet BB2 Spot by ring - right side  Spot inside spur  Dot to right side of ball on staff  Spot to right of sword top B9 is often faint or not visible. This should therefore be considered semi-constant B10 - Two flaws on this impression  Spot to right side of centre picture  Dot to left of the 'H' of 'HARRISON' The dot to the left of the 'H' is very small and often faint but appears to be constant. B12 Break in base line below bottom scroll
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Post by tallanent on Feb 14, 2015 11:22:24 GMT
Sheet CC4 Small dot in top left corner margin  Small mark below base frame  Dot above left handle of sword
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Post by tallanent on Feb 14, 2015 11:50:37 GMT
Sheet DD1 Dot in left margin at the top  Small dot under Orb - right side The small dot under the orb is very small and faint. When it is seen it can appear as a small bulge on the base line of the orb. The illustration shows the area where this appears D6 White spot to right of floral pillar (Right side)  Dot below right side of spoon
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Post by tallanent on Feb 14, 2015 11:54:47 GMT
Sheet EE1 Small line extension at the top - left side As illustrated, this sometimes appears as a dot and not joined to the frame line E3 Small dot after 'HARRISON' This is very small and faint. The illustration shows where it appears E4Small dot in the top left corner margin See illustration C4 above E6Small mark below base frame See illustration C6 above E10 Small dot at base of label - right side
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Post by tallanent on Feb 14, 2015 11:57:19 GMT
Sheet F
I do not have a full sheet from this possition on the plate but the details listed above under the variations were taken from sheets loaned to me whilst working on this project.
Some of the variations appear on other sheets as well so that 6 of the 10 listed for this sheet are already shown above ..
F2 - same as B2
F3 - same as D3
F5 - same as B5
F7 - appears on this sheet only
F8 - same as B8
F9 - two flaws on this impression
..... one is the same as B9
..... the other appears on this sheet only
F10 - same as B10
F11 - appears on this sheet only
F12 - appears on this sheet only
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Post by tallanent on Feb 14, 2015 12:03:21 GMT
So ... from a catalogue listing of 6 basic sheets, and the fact that we can prove that there are 6 sheets to the plate, a collection of these labels alone could go to 36 sheets. in addition there are another 12 sheets, (two plate possitions each in 6 colours) that could be added should you wish, and these I will now try and explain. Variations for sheets A and BAs already noted, these labels were printed on the web. They were printed, then perforated then split into single sheets. The perforating was done by a comb extending the full width of the printed sheet, (two sheets as issued), and it is this that gives us the perforated through left or right margin that aid in the assignment of the sheets to their possition on the plate. The seperation of the printed sheets in to single sheets was done almost centrally in the margins between the sheet impressions. In general this is between 15mm and 17mm from the top frame line of the top impression of the stamps. The exception to this appears to be when seperation was made between sheets E and F and what would be the start of the next plate impression - sheets A and B. In this case most examps show a top margin of 15mm and thus, as there was also a break in the perforating at this point, the top and one side margin on these sheets are imperforate (except for the single hole extension as already noted). In some case however, it would appear that the cut was made slightly higher (about 16mm instead of 15mm) and this leaves a trace of the perforating holes from the previous impressions on the web. I know this may be considered a little over the top but it is included here for completeness  Sheet B showing the extra perfs at the top
So with these two extras (as the same variation happens on sheet A) there are a possible 48 sheets that can be placed in a collection.
This now concludes the details I have on these labels and I will now add a few covers to illustrate some of the points made in previous posts and to tie up the remaining loose-ends that I left
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Post by tallanent on Feb 14, 2015 12:14:42 GMT
As was noted on the fronts of the envelopes that some of these labels were issued in, the labels were not to be used on the front (address side) of letters. However I am certain that some people used the labels on the left side of the envelope to create their own pictorial cover. This situation seems to explain covers that are encountered like this, however, it must be remembered that as plain Coronation First Day Covers and these Coronation labels are cheap, it would be very easy to add one to the other. So here is a little reminder -
They may look nice but you cant be sure when the label was added
 Poster Stamp label on cover Labels on cover, placed near the stamps that have part of the cancellation confirming its use at the time do turn up, but "philatelic" covers seem to be less common than one would expect given the large number of labels produced.  Poster Stamp and Parkshaw label tied on cover Cancelled at Greenford, West London 13 May 1937 Earlier, when dealing with the Parkshaw issue, I mentioned the misplacement of the overlay colours applied to the sheets and said that I would illustrate this at this time. There are a number of slight misplacements, either up, down, left or right, but as with all things philatelic, the more drastic the better ...  Drastic downward shift of the overlay colour The shift to the right on the vertical format stamps is due to the way they appeared in the full sheet (see above) To finish of we again have the Parkshaw issue ... This time it is a printed enlargement of one of the designs from the sheet printed in brown on the front of an envelope  Used on the first day of issue - 13 May 1937
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Post by tallanent on Feb 14, 2015 12:18:28 GMT
This study on the Coronation labels was done in the early 1990's and although I have shared snippets with other collectors, it was first published in full on the net in 2008
What will follow now is some additional details that were brought to my attention that all add to the general details already shown, expanding the story a little more ...
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Post by Ryan on Feb 14, 2015 12:23:26 GMT
I am familiar with your British Postmark Database (and have even contributed a cancellation or two) but I've never come across your study on these cinderellas before. What a remarkable work! Thanks for posting it all here.
Ryan
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Post by tallanent on Feb 14, 2015 12:39:30 GMT
Parkshaw Set - CANADAIn the Parkshaw section above was illustrated two envelopes that these labels were supplied in. One was the basic type and the other had the addition of a price alteration to 25c by means of a hand stamp. I suggested that these were for the American or Canadian markets and it was has been suggested that Australia may also be an option - and this may still be the case for this hand stamped type. However - I can now confirm that these labels were distributed in Canada by Colonial Distributors, 253 Queen Street W., Toronto, Ont and were sold at 25c per set. The envelope is the same size as that already listed and is printed in the same way with the exception of the price now being in cents and the distributor listed at the bottom rather than the publisher. Both are illustrated here for ease of reference  The original envelope Parkshaw Publishing Co.  The revised envelope Colonial Distributors The envelope contains a full sheet of stamps, (split on the perfs as normal) the bonus being that these are from plate 2.
There is no information sheet so I am unable to say if this was part of the canadian issue.
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Feb 14, 2015 13:10:35 GMT
Amazing work!! If this was accomplished in less than a decade of time I am surprised. The question needs to be asked what made you get so involved with a routine cindy issue ?? Is the coronation bit your thing? I wish a spark like that would light a fire in me. I jump around from thing to thing, oh wait, I am a frog guess that explains it.Thanks for sharing your work. One of my pet peeves is those that hold information for ransom charging fees to access sites for info. Here is an example of what the stamp world should be,information shared for the betterment of the hobby.Kudos again !!
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Post by tallanent on Feb 14, 2015 13:12:30 GMT
Poster Stamp - flaws
As already stated, I have found three flaws on this issue.
All these come from plate 1 printings ...
 Coloured mark below the left of the crown  Mark below the first 'N' of 'CORONATION'  Mark between the tower and the 'A' of 'MAY'
To trace these flaws - full sheets are required and I have recorded the following ...
Plate 1 - Printed in red
A .. with no flaws on the stamps
B .. with all three flaws (as illustrated)
Plate 1 - Printed in Purple
A .. with no flaws on the stamps
Plate 1 - Printed in blue
A .. with no flaws on the stamps
B .. with all three flaws (as illustrated)
The presence of these flaws on some sheets and single impressions, and the fact that across all the printings detailed above, they are the same, shows that this was something on the plate or cylinder that was introduced at some point after printings had been made.
That concludeds the details I have regarding the poster stamp issue ... so we have (with my own numbers) ..
PS1Ra .. Plate 1 in red
PS1Rb .. Plate 1 in red with flaws on 3 stamps
PS1Ba .. Plate 1 in blue
PS1Bb .. Plate 1 in blue with flaws on 3 stamps
PS1Pa .. Plate 1 in purple
PS2Pa .. Plate 2 in purple - Only single stamps recorded by me
Sheets have been reported but these are as yet unconfirmed
To add to this listing (along with another sheet of Ps1Pa is a sheet in red, (again from plate 1 - PS1R), but which shows a small variation of the flaw on the Windsor Castle stamp, the same flaw as illustrated on the stamp showing Princess Elizabeth and no flaw on the Westminister Abbey stamp. I would assume that this is an earlier state and thus the list has been revised as follows PS1Ra .. Plate 1 in red PS1Rb .. Plate 1 in red with flaws on 2 stamps PS1Rc .. Plate 1 in red with flaws on 3 stamps PS1Ba .. Plate 1 in blue PS1Bb .. Plate 1 in blue with flaws on 3 stamps PS1Pa .. Plate 1 in purple PS2Pa .. Plate 2 in purple - Only single stamps recorded by me Sheets have been reported but these are as yet unconfirmed  The smaller flaw on the Windsor Castle impression |
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Post by tallanent on Feb 14, 2015 13:46:44 GMT
Amazing work!! If this was accomplished in less than a decade of time I am surprised. The question needs to be asked what made you get so involved with a routine cindy issue ?? Is the coronation bit your thing? I wish a spark like that would light a fire in me. I jump around from thing to thing, oh wait, I am a frog guess that explains it.Thanks for sharing your work. One of my pet peeves is those that hold information for ransom charging fees to access sites for info. Here is an example of what the stamp world should be,information shared for the betterment of the hobby.Kudos again !! To answer the question .... When I first started collecting, I went throught the the general stages as most kids do ... as follows ... Anything I could get my hands on .... this after all is what gets kids intrested By about the age of eight (not a typo), I was collecting space themmed items ... In fact (somewhere), I still have a 9 page local club compettiton entry on this ....
By about the age of ten I was getting into GB - swapping all duplicates or WW items to fill gaps As I started to get this area together, I took a look at my fathers collection and he stopped about circa 1951 / 1953 Thus I decidedat about 16 to do the Queen Elizabeth Issues ... By the age of 21, this was driving my mad. Trying to keep up with new issues and the Machins were a nightmare for me ... I decided to take another look at my fathers collection and noted that the King George VI area was just a basic collection This was circa 1985 / 86 ... so I sold the QE2 collection to a dealer in Kew and brought as much of the King George VI material as I could afford, including strange items such as these types of sheets etc In the following year I brough all the odd items that turned up that were related to this period, this included Coronation labels, Festival Of Britain, etc etc In fact, anything that was cheap and that no one else seemed to want at the time ... In 1987 I got married and naturally money became scarce, but I now had this vast accummalated stock to keep me going It was round this time that I decided that it would be intresting to see if I could pull some of the information together from what was at hand .... thus this study was born So in reallity the intrest came from a desire to continue with the collection but with only what was already at hand It was just something that clicked with me at the time, got my intrest and developed into what you see presented here A little long winded ..... by hey thats collectors for you Allan |
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Post by tallanent on Feb 14, 2015 16:04:59 GMT
The following cover was offered by a dealer in October 2008  The Coronation Reminder / Keep Sunday Special label used on the rear of a cover
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Post by tallanent on Feb 14, 2015 16:08:34 GMT
Poster Stamp issue - Plate 2I have known for a while that some poster stamp productions from the mid to late 1950's onwards also had produced cards for the stamps to be affixed in - but had always assummed that this was something that they introduced at this time. However, I am now aware of a card folder produced for the Coronation 1937 labels. The example I have is the first one I have seen for this issue, and although it is not in the greatest of conditions at least shows that they are around.  The folder (above) measures 174mm x 116mm and is white card with a red coating and the printing applied in gold. All the text just relates to what they were issued for and the fact that they are commemorative poster stamps. The rear ofthe card has the same red coating but no printing. The opened card is to large to scan as a single item so the following two pictures show the inside left and right sides.  left side with 4 labels  right side with 4 labels The stamps are all from plate 2 in purple and the sheet margin has been used to create a title along the top. In addition there is an inscription at the bottom of the card (across the fold).
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Post by tallanent on Feb 14, 2015 16:14:02 GMT
Poster Stamp - Plate 2Another new discovery for me (circa 2008) is three stamps (all the same impression from the sheet but in different colours) with a specimen overprint. There are two types of overprint, small and large Small Specimen Overprint
 top left to bottom right  bottom right to top left  top left to bottom right With error of spelling SEPCIMEN 'E' and 'P' transposed
The traces of the larger lettering at the top right corner are traces of the larger type that will be shown next
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Post by tallanent on Feb 14, 2015 16:17:59 GMT
Large Specimen OverprintIt would appear that the large SPECIMEN overprint was applied across the sheet and the small type used to cancell the stamps that were missed. All the examples I have of this type will be shown and all are single copies. I have re-constructed the multiples from the copies I have been supplied with to show the type ...  Block of 6 The top left stamp shows the small type SPECIMEN with the correct spelling and the middle right label is the error of spelling noted in the last post  Pair This shows the end of the large type but applied this time in blue. The top label also shows part of the small overprint  This shows the 'S' of 'SPECIMEN' - again applied in blue.
This is probably from the same sheet as the rejoined pair above.
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Post by tallanent on Feb 14, 2015 16:26:51 GMT
The following was added on the 30 November 2008 Sale of the Harrison sheet of 12 in the USASome new items have been added to my collection, and these I feel are worth showing here if for no other reason than keeping the information up to date. The item is a sheet, slightly shorter than A4 and a fraction wider, (I assume this is the American standard size), that has been printed on both sides then foldered to form an A5(ish) folder. On the inside the details from the card as sold with the original set are reproduced and two lines of text have been added to the bottom - Printed by Harrison & Sons Ltd., printers of postage stamps for Great Britain and pioneers in the rotogravure process, which is used on this issue.  The front of the folded sheet has a number at the top left, the dealers name (Tatham Stamp & Coin Co.) and the price at the top right. The main area has printed boxes to which one of each design from the sheet has been hinged in place and three lines of text at the bottom. I have four examples of this item, all identical except for the code that follows the number (375) at the top left. The one shown below is BR for Brown, the others are B - Black, BL - Blue and G - Green.  The back fage of the folded sheet shows a picture of King George 6  |
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Post by tallanent on Feb 14, 2015 16:31:36 GMT
Used on cover  Picture from another collector - July 2010 Use on cover against regulations [/div] |
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Post by tallanent on Feb 14, 2015 16:33:42 GMT
The Vallancey Press issueThis is the envelope issued by The Vallancey Press Ltd Image from another collector Size of envelope: 100mm x 155mm [/div]
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Post by tallanent on Feb 14, 2015 17:35:55 GMT
Poster stamp - late useThe following two scans were shown in January 2011 by another collector  
These were used, presumably for sale in the Canada and US, with overprints to celebrate the Royal Visits to Canada (May 1939) and US (June 1939).
They exist in all three colours (red, blue and purple)
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Post by tallanent on Feb 14, 2015 17:46:01 GMT
The Parkshaw issue of 60As already shown above, the Parkshaw envelope is known with the 25c price additional handstamp By January 2011, another collector had added the following details ...  ... these were also marketed in the USA by the Tatham Stamp & Coin Co of Springfield with an applied label to the front of the envelop, printed in red:
This same company also marketed the Harrisons regalia stamps, as seen above, but I have no information as to if they did the same for the Poster Stamp issue.
The Poster Stamp sheets certainly reached the USA and Canada but possibly only by being sent out on an individual basis between UK and USA / Canadian correspondents.
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Post by Ryan on Feb 14, 2015 18:35:31 GMT
The item is a sheet, slightly shorter than A4 and a fraction wider, (I assume this is the American standard size) Yes, that's the norm on this side of the ocean - 8-1/2" x 11". See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_(paper_size) if you're really keen on knowing about it. Ryan |
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Post by tallanent on Feb 14, 2015 19:13:18 GMT
Just done a quick check through my notes for updates to various sections, and can find nothing additional to what is listed above, so this appears to now be as complette as I can get it at this stage
Hope this at least entertains a few members or at the very least you can tell the other half that there are some that are even more crazy than you ....
Will continue to check in on the board - the format and ease of use are great - my compliments to the admin team ....
Must now go finish off the sermon for tomorrow, else I really will look silly
Have fun ... Regards ... Allan
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Post by Londonbus1 on Feb 14, 2015 20:28:14 GMT
Just done a quick check through my notes for updates to various sections, and can find nothing additional to what is listed above, so this appears to now be as complette as I can get it at this stage Hope this at least entertains a few members or at the very least you can tell the other half that there are some that are even more crazy than you .... Will continue to check in on the board - the format and ease of use are great - my compliments to the admin team .... Must now go finish off the sermon for tomorrow, else I really will look silly Have fun ... Regards ... Allan Suitably entertained Allan  Many thanks. |
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Post by rod222 on Feb 14, 2015 23:45:19 GMT
The following cover was offered by a dealer in October 2008 The Coronation Reminder / Keep Sunday Special label used on the rear of a cover Great! another unknown cinderella successfully ID'd in my collection. Thanks |
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Post by cindycan2 on Feb 26, 2015 6:25:52 GMT
Great study Allan, thanks for posting.
Here's a part block of the IODE coronation seals...might indicate they were issued in a large sheet.
 Any interest in adding die-cut coronation stickers to the thread?  |
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Post by zipper on Feb 26, 2015 6:52:21 GMT
Allan, you're the man! Such erudition!
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