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Post by cjd on Aug 2, 2013 2:44:51 GMT
Some classic Austrian Italy, to kick off the Classics forum (with a twist):  A 15c used in Como, and:  a 30c used in Verona. These have been put onto pieces, and the prior collector sketched in the balance of the cancels. A little different, but interesting. Feel free to post up your Austrian Italians. |
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Post by jkjblue on Aug 2, 2013 3:00:02 GMT
Those are great "SON" cancels for Lombardy-Venetia.  CJD, I've always been a little unsure about the "types" listed for the Coat of Arms stamps. Do you have any hints?  |
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Post by cjd on Aug 2, 2013 3:20:33 GMT
Here are a few more. Two from Chioggia, I believe:  A rather ratty 30c  A rather nice 45c  And another 30c that I'm still trying to work out. Yes, for the cooks in the room, I think that is the Chioggia of Chioggia beet fame...the red and white 'candy-striped' beets. It is a port town near Venice. Jkjblue, I'll see if I can put together a little something on the types. |
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Post by rod222 on Aug 2, 2013 8:15:26 GMT
I don't recognise that shape cjd, not reported in any postmarks 1900-1918 that I can see,
looks a little familiar to a business franking shape on some stamps I have from the canton of Geneva.
No similar shapes in any Austrian I have on my HDD.
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Post by cjd on Aug 3, 2013 4:53:18 GMT
Here is a cover, from Massa, in Tuscany, to Dolo, near Venice. I opened it up to scan the front and back together, to show the Dolo receiving mark.  and here is a closeup of the stamp. Nice margins:  Massa is popular with the tourists, so more than one of you has probably been there. |
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Post by cjd on Aug 3, 2013 14:25:42 GMT
Here is an Austria 2kr, used in Triest:  Yes, the stamp is upside down. (I oriented it for the cancel.) The color choices for this stamp are yellow or deep yellow. I'm inclined to think this is deep yellow. Some very similar designs are found under Lombardy Venetia and Austria. LV are denominated in soldi while Austria are denominated in kreuzer. |
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Post by cjd on Aug 3, 2013 14:53:14 GMT
Here is a Lombardy Venetia 15c used in Brescia.  Scott calls this a Type II, which is distinguished by the '5' in the fifteen being shifted upward slightly. The '5' on the Type II is also rotated slightly. I'm guessing that if the cancel limits your ability to see the bottoms of the numbers, it may limit the ability to detect the rotation in the '5' as well. I'll dig out a Type III, which shares the '5' characteristics, and also has two lines around the coat of arms rather than one heavy line found in the Types I and II. |
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Post by jkjblue on Aug 3, 2013 16:21:56 GMT
This is very helpful, and I look forward to the Type I & Type III, especially the Coat of Arms lines differences.
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Post by cjd on Aug 3, 2013 18:35:11 GMT
Here are the two main spotting features listed in Scott for the Type III coat of arms:  The arrow points to the '5' shifted upward, and the ovals show the two lines around the coat of arms. Note the 15c right above, with the Brescia cancel. In this area, there is one thick line, rather than two lines. I claim no expertise, so if anyone can add to or correct this, please do. |
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Post by jkjblue on Aug 3, 2013 20:56:39 GMT
My 15c then is a Type III. ;-) Thanks cjd!
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Post by cjd on Aug 3, 2013 21:42:49 GMT
The 45c has the same sorts of issues, except the bottom of the '45' is below, or else level with, the bottom of 'CENTES.' and the single heavy line or two lines also factor in.
A dropped '45' and single heavy line are indicators for Scott Type I.
A '45' with its bottom lined up with the bottom of CENTES, and a single heavy line, is Type II.
A lined-up '45' and two lines is Type III. I believe the 45c above is a Type III.
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Post by smauggie on Apr 14, 2021 17:58:17 GMT
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