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Post by thegubman on Apr 13, 2020 18:59:09 GMT
This website is very good www.maltesex.com/plating/It looks like the Spink Nissen link no longer works, the above link has the Nissen plates on it. I have had a go at plating one which I will put down next using some of the excellent information given earlier in this thread. Graham
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Post by thegubman on Apr 13, 2020 19:09:36 GMT
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Post by stanley64 on May 9, 2020 11:03:57 GMT
This past week we observed the anniversary of the world’s first postage stamp, the Penny Black with its profile of Queen Victoria that was issued on 1 May 1840 and valid for use beginning 6 May. Sir Rowland Hill's concept of a simplified postal rate using a pre-paid adhesive stamp would allow letters of up to a half ounce or 14 grams to be delivered at a flat rate of one penny, regardless of distance, radically changing the postal-delivery system of the day and gave us a hobby - philately.
Every stamp collector should have at least the image of the Penny Black in their collection, if not the stamp itself, and given the early posting by tallanent , I thought I would give plating my copy a go,
First check the top corners - done.
- no missing and also elongated rays, eliminates Plate 1A, 1B & 2.
- no break in the top frame-line as shared in the original post, alas not Plate 11 either.
- moving on...
Next, the bottom of the stamp - done
- the O flaw is a mark between the O and N of ONE at the base of the stamp
- looking at my copy, a potential match - Plates 7, 8, 9 or 10
Finally, the bottom of the stamp - done - bulge on the base line is most common on Plate 5, but also be Plate 6
- no bulge, back to Plates 7, 8, 9 or 10.
With that, four potential candidates emerge from the line-up for this Penny Black with its Plate Position of "K-F" or essentially the middle of the sheet,
Penny Black "Registered" Copies - "KF" Plates 7, 8, 9 & 10
Comparing the 'O' flaw, the starbursts and the letter positions in their respective corners,
Given the compare & contrast along with the current information available, I am fairly confident to assign this copy of Penny Black to Printing Plate - 10, registered on 9 Dec 1840 and was used to produce 1,920,000 copies.
What fun and I appreciate the path left for me...
Happy collecting!
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Post by thegubman on May 17, 2020 17:33:34 GMT
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Post by stanley64 on May 18, 2020 8:08:09 GMT
I have to agree with your assessment of plate 5; the starbursts and the letter positions in their respective corners both point to this plate. The clincher though is the fine scratch line that runs through the bottom of the letter boxes especially the right-hand side one with the letter 'E' that is not seen in any of the other ten plates...
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Post by stanley64 on May 30, 2020 7:42:55 GMT
Given the compare & contrast along with the current information available, I am fairly confident to assign this copy of Penny Black to Printing Plate - 10, registered on 9 Dec 1840 and was used to produce 1,920,000 copies. Many thanks to Mr. Martin Jenkinson of Sturminister Stamps for confirmation of my plating effort,
Happy collecting!
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Post by stanley64 on Jan 15, 2021 11:21:00 GMT
Keeping old skills fresh, I plated the Penny Black currently being given away by Hipstamp.com,
Ray flaw - nope O flaw - not this one Frame line extension - it is possible
With the letter alignment, I think this one is Penny Black 'SJ' Plate 4. Can anyone confirm or think otherwise??
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Post by stanley64 on Jul 27, 2021 8:00:45 GMT
Recently, I enjoyed viewing an episode of the 'Conversations with Philatelists' YouTube programme ( Episode n.º 51) and found it both informative and entertaining.
The recording was an interview with the current president of the Collector's Club of New York, a Mr. Lawrence Haber. As part of the conversation and at about the 12 minute mark, Mr. Haber mentions the Penny Black having a thirteenth plate, i.e. '1C'. In all my readings and discussions, I have never heard of or seen reference to a 'Plate 1C'.
Can anyone share or point me in the direction where I might learn more about this elusive plate...
Happy collecting!
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Post by stanley64 on Oct 30, 2021 16:08:46 GMT
With all the hubbub of late for the Penny Black, I was reminded of the current giveaway from one of the major on-line consolidators and better than a crossword puzzle on a rainy Saturday afternoon, thought to plate her,
10 o'clock ray flaw - check - plate 1A, 1B or even Plate 2 are possibilities Still in the running - plates 3 and 4 are there, but unlikely
No bulge in the baseline between the 'O' and the 'N', so we can eliminate 5 or 6.
O flaw - not this one and we cross off 7, 8, 9, and even 10. No break in the frame of the top right-hand corner - not Plate 11 (we could dream though)
Back to the 10 o'clock ray flaw and although Plates 1A, 1B or even 2 which has this characteristic, but it is only 1A that has the thickening of the 7 o'clock ray and a weakness or absence of the 5 o'clock one, like in this stamp. Just to be sure though and as a double check, we can look at the letter alignment in their respective lower boxes on the right and left. All things considered, I plate this one as Penny Black 'KF' Plate 1A.
If anyone would care to confirm or thinks otherwise, please do share...
Happy collecting!
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Post by stanley64 on May 24, 2022 10:14:31 GMT
The latest giveaway for a Penny Black from one of the major on-line consolidators is a gem; for all who have entered - good luck :-) With the cooler weather outside this morning, I thought to plate the stamp,
I see the stamp has stage 2 ‘O’ flaw between the 'O' and 'N' of ONE that extends just above the foot of the 'N' (Plate 7, 8, 9 or even 10). I also note a re-entry in the top line of the ‘B’ Square, but it is the orientation of the letters in the bottom squares that would suggest that this example is from Plate 8.
Anyone care to confirm or thinks otherwise...
Have fun and happy collecting!
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Post by embosssed on Oct 24, 2022 9:38:34 GMT
I hope the image worked. I have this Penny Black with the bottom margin cut off making it impossible to see any "O" flaw. Is this one unplatable?
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Post by stanley64 on Oct 24, 2022 15:11:25 GMT
I think you are in luck embosssed ; despite the missing bottom margin, it is the 'lazy' S that gives the plate number away for this one. Even though one can only imagine the bulge in the baseline between the 'O' and the 'N', I would suggest that this stamp is from Plate 5 as none of the other plates have the 'S' registration so low... Have fun and happy collecting!
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Post by stanley64 on Oct 28, 2022 8:06:37 GMT
As the “O Flaw” was mentioned in a previous posting by embosssed , the latest giveaway for a Penny Black from one of the major on-line consolidators is a good example,
The “O Flaw” can be found on Plates 7, 8, 9 and 10 of the Penny Black which can be identified by a white mark or slash between the “O” and “N” of ONE. From Dr. Osborne’s descriptions, this example of the flaw on this stamp is from the second stage of three, where the mark extends just above the foot of the “N” and given the placement of the “FI” letters in their respective squares, I would suggest this little gem is from Plate 10. Someone is going to get themselves a nice stamp…
Have fun and happy collecting! P.S. Standard "No responsibility" or "Business association" disclaimer applies.
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Post by embosssed on Nov 4, 2022 4:53:56 GMT
Thanks Stanley 64. It's great to be able to cross of one of the plate numbers.
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Post by stanley64 on Nov 6, 2022 12:56:46 GMT
Your welcome embosssed ; glad to be of assistance, 1 down and only 10 more to go ;-) Curious minds though would like to know, are you planning to collect an example of each plate, i.e. 1-11 or is it something more challenging like matching corner letters, e.g. "SA" for all? Have fun and happy collecting!
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Post by stanley64 on Dec 3, 2022 11:13:14 GMT
The latest giveaway for a Penny Black from one of the major on-line consolidators is likely from Plate 2,
Ray Flaw - missing 7 o'clock ray Check the letter positions, good match with other known Plate 2 examples
For all that enter, good luck...
Have fun and happy collecting!
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Post by stanley64 on Jan 8, 2023 15:28:59 GMT
The latest giveaway for a Penny Black with its 'IG' letters from one of the major on-line consolidators is likely from Plate 6,
Ray flaws - no, not on this one
O flaw - not there Frame line extension - yup in the LR, but it is the weak frameline of the NE corner and bulge in the baseline that gives this one the edge to being from Plate 6.
The alignment of the two letters, 'I' and 'G' are just the icing on the cake to plating this particular example...
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Post by stanley64 on Dec 23, 2023 8:52:40 GMT
Whilst ‘flyspecking’ can be an enjoyable aspect of the hobby, it is the plating a stamp to its known position and plate that provides a philatelic challenge and completes the puzzle; a Penny Black is a good example. The latest giveaway for such a stamp with its 'CF' letters from one of the major on-line consolidators, is this one. For the stamp above above, here is a quick checklist to be considered for the endeavour and a plate assignment: Ray flaws – none to be seen here. O flaw – yup, it is there! In fact, we can see that this is the third state of three, where the mark extends past the left half of the foot of the “N” of “ONE” The frame line variant found in the SE tablet of the letter “F” here is a key factor with the small duplication of the frameline on the left-hand side. The alignment of the two letters, 'C and 'F' can be used as final validation that this particular stamp is from Plate 7. Have fun and happy collecting! P.S. Standard "No responsibility" or "Business association" disclaimer applies.
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Post by stanley64 on Jan 1, 2024 11:41:24 GMT
A plating exercise to start the New Year courtesy of a major on-line consolidator is this Penny Black,
Check the corners for the missing rays, plates 1A, 1B, 2 and 11. Nope, all rays present and accounted for, leaves us with 8 remaining possibilities.
The 'O' Flaw from Plates, 7, 8, 9 or 10, is also missing and leaves us with only 4 prospects.
The appearance of a bulge on the base line between the 'O' and 'N' of "ONE" would suggest plate 5 or 6, but which one?
The alignment of the letters, along with the broken or faint frame line of the upper right hand corner, would suggest this one with its initials, 'T' & 'B' is from Plate 6.
With that, exercise completed; for one and for all, here is to a fun-filled year of philately...
Have fun and happy collecting!
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Post by sudbury12000 on Apr 12, 2024 13:14:15 GMT
I picked up these four on the weekend, just showed up. Probably overpaid for them, as most do with PB's but I am happy for the challenge to plate them. I did notice the third stamp is intense black, or it is so franked that it looks that way? I really appreciate the help from this thread to help plate them. I will do my best and post my results!
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Post by stanley64 on Apr 12, 2024 15:04:39 GMT
That is a nice set sudbury12000 and I would not worry about the price paid. In instances like this, I always think in terms of "investment" vs "entertainment" value. Regardless of the cost, the entertainment value of plating a Penny Black is priceless ;-) Having had a look myself, I patiently await to what you come up with in terms of plating each of them... Have fun and happy collecting!! P.S. For the third stamp, are the initials 'K & J', 'R & J' or something else, it is difficult to tell.
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Post by sudbury12000 on Apr 12, 2024 15:27:40 GMT
That is a nice set sudbury12000 and I would not worry about the price paid. In instances like this, I always think in terms of "investment" vs "entertainment" value. Regardless of the cost, the entertainment value of plating a Penny Black is priceless ;-) Having had a look myself, I patiently await to what you come up with in terms of plating each of them... Have fun and happy collecting!! P.S. For the third stamp, are the initials 'K & J', 'R & J' or something else, it is difficult to tell. Thank you for your input. I will say R & J but will further enhance to make sure! Hope I have time to plate this weekend.
In regards to the entertainment, we will see if these tired old eyes can get the plates right. It will be a fun process. I have some others to do as well!
Cheers Roy
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Post by sudbury12000 on Apr 13, 2024 15:43:11 GMT
Thank you all again for the information. I am making my best guess on a rainy cold morning. I have tried to enhance my scanner, but it is as clear as I can get. I may try my wife's Iphone as they have come a long way.
Anyway, see below. It is the first time I have plated PBs. Hope I pass.
First stamp
Plate 6
Plate 5
Plate 4
Plate 9, showing the O flaw.
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Post by stanley64 on Apr 14, 2024 7:26:03 GMT
I cannot think of a better way to pass a cold, rainy morning than one's stamp and with a plating exercise to boot. If you enjoyed the experience, I would say, give yourself a passing grade sudbury12000 :-) One thing, in the text, 'Guide Lines to the Penny Black' by P.C. Litchfield,
and under the category of re-entries, he writes that all the ‘S’ row stamps have a small mark in the NE square on the left which is generally recognised as a re-entry. On that next rainy morning, you might want to get out the loupe and see if you can spot it... Have fun and happy collecting!
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